United thread 2017/18

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Said it months ago, that Spuds and Chelsea would be our closest challengers and I stand by that. They have momentum now and will catch the Rags who now need to be more worried about the Bin-dippers taking fourth place.
Champions League games and elimination from the competition might well decide who finishes top 4.
 
Danny utd fan on 606 right now.
This joker said they'd beat us 3-0.
On right now saying sack Mourinho, give it giggsy til the end of the season and get joachim loeb.
Just Said every lower league club look up to utd....jason Mohammed just said I support Cardiff and I don't. Proper showing his arse.
 
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Brilliant!
 
He's nothing more than a corrosive, toxic wanker and it is only because the rags are such a collective bunch of self-pitying, deluded cults that they continue to exculpate the twat rather than kicking his embarrassing arse out of the swamp door.
I think you nailed it .
 
I seem to remember Woodward not too long ago highlighting Liverpool's healthy revenue streams, despite never having won the Premiership, what he was saying and perhaps Arsenal is the best example of this rather than Liverpool, is that in football it is possible to grow your revenue stream without necessarily performing particularly well on the field. In a nutshell, you don't need to be "There or thereabouts" you just need to be "thereabouts" and the additional investment to get "There" (the league title, win the Champions League) cannot be justified commercially, as the additional investment required to achieve these things is greater than the additional revenues that would be generated by achieving them.

In other words profit maximisation in football for the established clubs comes from being close but no cigar, because smoking the cigar is not worth the expense.

A great insight....I reckon the London School of Economics would call this "The Arsenal Plan".
 
I agree with all this, all of it. I would, however, add one thing to the mix, in a mature business there is a direct correlation between performance in the market place and revenue stream, so if you're peddling analogue shit in a digital world then pretty soon just how crap your product line is will be exposed in your sales figures. But that's not always the case with an established football club. Liverpool are commercially very strong, with healthy revenue streams, so are Arsenal and to a lesser extent Spurs, yet where are the trophies (FA Cup notwithstanding) where are the League titles? United, despite five years in the (relative) wilderness still make money hand over fist.

I seem to remember Woodward not too long ago highlighting Liverpool's healthy revenue streams, despite never having won the Premiership, what he was saying and perhaps Arsenal is the best example of this rather than Liverpool, is that in football it is possible to grow your revenue stream without necessarily performing particularly well on the field. In a nutshell, you don't need to be "There or thereabouts" you just need to be "thereabouts" and the additional investment to get "There" (the league title, win the Champions League) cannot be justified commercially, as the additional investment required to achieve these things are not commensurate with the additional revenues that would be generated by achieving them.

In other words profit maximisation in football for the established clubs comes from being close but no cigar, because smoking the cigar is not worth the expense.

Agreed, and you -- they, really -- are making the argument the largest shareholder of MANU public equity does. But that's the thing about sports franchises -- they can be break-even or (small) loss-making toys, venture capital investments with a vision, or solid, profitable businesses. They can transition from one to another over time too, in both directions.

And when you want to be the last, you must realize other owners are free to be any of the three if your league is effectively unregulated. And you shouldn't be allowed to woman about it (ahem, Arsene Wenger).
 
Just had a quick look at the 'Jose spending comments' thread of Ragcafe and surprise surprise, they are already moving the goalposts that surround Pep.

It's no wonder that sports journalism in this country is a complete shitshow when you consider the bunch of idiots it has to cater for.

I'd wager good money on the fact that by the time Pep leaves us, the narrative will be that he inherited the best team in the PL by miles and spent what he wanted whilst the others were playing catch-up. Just like the myth that he inherited a ready made all conquoring Barca side.

No one, other than us City fans, will remember that he inherited an aging side that was on the decline and needed major surgery. The fact that LVG, who has been widely criticised for his tenure at United, finished level on points with us the season before Pep arrived will be airbrushed from history. Just like the fact that Barca had finished 3rd the year before Pep took over is widely ignored these days.

The real difference between City and United is not the money they have spent, it's the quality of manager. Pep has improved the large majority of our players and turned the likes of Sterling, Otamendi and Delph into the best in their respective positions in the league. Mourinho just stifles his players. Rashford, Martial, Mkhitarian and Herrera have all regressed during his time there.

If Pep and Mourinho swapped teams then I honestly reckon that we would be the side in second place and United would have a commanding lead at the top.
 
In fairness I think even the most brainwashed rag could see through this Muppets latest deflection.
 
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