United thread 2017/18

[The blue phantom]

Rest In Peace to all who died at Munich, including fine Manchester journalists and footballers who would have won the World Cup for England in 1958. Nothing that has been said about it since that day diminishes its sadness.

Only decent post on here. Still a sad day regardless that they are our enemy.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Do any of our financial experts have a view on if the US market meltdown will affect the trafford rags?

Shouldn't really I'd guess. Stock was down in line with the market yesterday. The largest holder of the trade-able portion of the share base (the float) is a stable, long-term oriented investor. Obviously the majority of ownership control still in hands of the Glazers. MANU not my sector so these are personal views, not professional ones.

 

[bluethrunthru]

100 year anniversary of women getting the vote lol

I find it hard to believe the suffragettes waged a campaign that culminated on them getting the vote on the same date as the 60th anniversary of the air crash. It was very ill mannered and ill timed of them.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Only decent post on here. Still a sad day regardless that they are our enemy.

whilst I would tend to agree with you were the roles reversed we would be getting 659m cart loads of shit dumped on us from around the world so whilst on a human level one can respect the memory of all those lost in the crash its hard not to have a cynical edge. Growing up in the 60's and 70's I don't recall much if any fuss made about this. Sure some die hard older fans observed it religiously but the clubs involvement was as minimal as they could get away with.

 

[mat]

Only decent post on here. Still a sad day regardless that they are our enemy.

I think we all agree on that.

Our issue is with exploitation of the victims. The memorial service today has a theme of a club bringing youth through the ranks according to rag sycophant Patrick Barclay. Rather than lamenting on the pain and suffering of the people involved and no acknowledgement of the club's part of compiling their misery.

 

[bluelol]

A very sad incident at the time that will effect anyone connected to the individuals today and that goes for anyone connected with all sad incidents that have taken place since. However if you were to ask me, do I ever give any thought to any of these sad events, my answer would be, ‘NOT REALLY’ but that doesn’t mean I don’t have respect for those that do. I can fully understand wanting to pay respect to any event that does effect one and that goes without saying. However, I think the memorials to this event today and years gone by are just a generation for financial gain by the club and media. I’m not wishing to upset anyone and apologise if I have but this is my honest view.

 

[mat]

Mourinho is wearing a man U jacket over his hoodie. He looks like a lost mental paitent.

 

[KentBlue]

However, I think the memorials to this event today and years gone by are just a generation for financial gain by the club and media. I’m not wishing to upset anyone and apologise if I have but this is my honest view.

I'm in total agreement with this.


The rags have milked this disaster for so long it's like a sick joke now. Every single year they have some kind of ceremonial event that involves fleecing their brain-dead followers of their hard earned. And like the mindless drones they really are, they lap it up. Any old tasteless souvenir crap will do, as long as they pay.
How about commemorative duvet covers depicting moving scenes of the stricken airplane, printed tee shirts with the slogan "Munich '58. Always in Our Thoughts". Or maybe a Chevrolet sponsored football match where a 'rag legend' could play for a couple of minutes for a grotesquely inflated fee...no, wait they wouldn't sink that low.
Or how about selling a load of those plastic bald wigs you can get, like in the joke shops? Then each year the plastic Asian rags can dress up as the combover king and run around saying things like: "Rook at me, evelyone. I'm Lobby Charton"!

 

[AliBobbyJ]

A very sad incident at the time that will effect anyone connected to the individuals today and that goes for anyone connected with all sad incidents that have taken place since. However if you were to ask me, do I ever give any thought to any of these sad events, my answer would be, ‘NOT REALLY’ but that doesn’t mean I don’t have respect for those that do. I can fully understand wanting to pay respect to any event that does effect one and that goes without saying. However, I think the memorials to this event today and years gone by are just a generation for financial gain by the club and media. I’m not wishing to upset anyone and apologise if I have but this is my honest view.

I sometimes have a hard time not responding angrily to those who try to deflect what Munich means by talking about how the rags have since exploited it for victim status and profit, because for me all that stuff is outweighed by personal memory. It was a simpler time, 1958, when footballers were local working class lads, and part of the sense of loss is about losing that era's simplicity (along with a lot of bad stuff too, I know.) But, yes, I can also accept that as time passes those who lived through the Munich disaster will be outnumbered (we already are) by those for whom it was just another item on the list of bad things that happened, and one day it might be as remote as the Gresford coal mine explosion or the Peterloo Massacre.

 

[mat]

I'm trying to watch the memorial without my blue specs on. It's difficult though. Turned off when the chaplain said "Homegrown player development is still an important part of our ethos today"

 

[Bluesince1979]

whilst I would tend to agree with you were the roles reversed we would be getting 659m cart loads of shit dumped on us from around the world so whilst on a human level one can respect the memory of all those lost in the crash its hard not to have a cynical edge. Growing up in the 60's and 70's I don't recall much if any fuss made about this. Sure some die hard older fans observed it religiously but the clubs involvement was as minimal as they could get away with.

Is it possible the club kept there head down whilst it was all pretty fresh in the memory due to the shitty despicable way they treated the survivors and widows?

 

[FantasyIreland]

In response to the 'souvenir' claims i have asked a season ticket holding pal what this pack contained.....the reply.....

'The club gave everyone a hard back book about the crash/rebuilding etc. along with other assorted literature about our history. For all their faults, they ensure Munich is handled with the respect it deserves'

 

[city2]

It's their annual new fan recruitment day, condolences to those who lost their lives.

 

[M18CTID]

I'm in total agreement with this.


The rags have milked this disaster for so long it's like a sick joke now. Every single year they have some kind of ceremonial event that involves fleecing their brain-dead followers of their hard earned. And like the mindless drones they really are, they lap it up. Any old tasteless souvenir crap will do, as long as they pay.
How about commemorative duvet covers depicting moving scenes of the stricken airplane, printed tee shirts with the slogan "Munich '58. Always in Our Thoughts". Or maybe a Chevrolet sponsored football match where a 'rag legend' could play for a couple of minutes for a grotesquely inflated fee...no, wait they wouldn't sink that low.
Or how about selling a load of those plastic bald wigs you can get, like in the joke shops? Then each year the plastic Asian rags can dress up as the combover king and run around saying things like: "Rook at me, evelyone. I'm Lobby Charton"!

To be fair, they're not all mindless drones. Many of their fans were scathing of the AIG logo being plastered over what was otherwise a very classy memorial that they displayed over the front of the stadium in the week leading up to the 50th anniversary match. I also remember reading a post on Red Cafe some years back about the annual service they hold on the Old Trafford forecourt on the anniversary of the disaster. The poster was fuming because somewhat incredibly, they were allowing coach loads of tourists to arrive and mill around at the same time of the service when anyone with a modicum of commonsense would've surely arranged for the touring parties to have been knocked on the head for the duration of the service or at least cordon off where the service was taking place. Then again, that would've probably meant blocking off the entrance to the megastore.

 

[cyclops]

Shouldn't really I'd guess. Stock was down in line with the market yesterday. The largest holder of the trade-able portion of the share base (the float) is a stable, long-term oriented investor. Obviously the majority of ownership control still in hands of the Glazers. MANU not my sector so these are personal views, not professional ones.

That's a pity, thanks for your reply though.

 

[Impeccable One]

Do any of our financial experts have a view on if the US market meltdown will affect the trafford rags?

You don’t need an expert to know its lost +/- 5% in two days .... AFTER growing more than 40% in the last 15 months ! ... so it isn’t hurting anyone except the johnny come latelys.

 

[T_C]

I'm in total agreement with this.


The rags have milked this disaster for so long it's like a sick joke now. Every single year they have some kind of ceremonial event that involves fleecing their brain-dead followers of their hard earned. And like the mindless drones they really are, they lap it up. Any old tasteless souvenir crap will do, as long as they pay.
How about commemorative duvet covers depicting moving scenes of the stricken airplane, printed tee shirts with the slogan "Munich '58. Always in Our Thoughts". Or maybe a Chevrolet sponsored football match where a 'rag legend' could play for a couple of minutes for a grotesquely inflated fee...no, wait they wouldn't sink that low.
Or how about selling a load of those plastic bald wigs you can get, like in the joke shops? Then each year the plastic Asian rags can dress up as the combover king and run around saying things like: "Rook at me, evelyone. I'm Lobby Charton"!

Nearly choked on me coffee!

On a more serious note the media could use the opportunity to educate the unwashed on how City helped them out after the crash.

 

[its grim up north]

Just a pity that at the swamp on Saturday the banner that was unveiled, which I suppose was Club funded, showed images of the eight players that died, with the adage, we will remember them. I thought 22 persons died?

 

[solley attwell]

I’d be interested to see if there’s been attempts which they’ve blocked legally.

It could be a screenplay loosely based on real events with artistic license and based in the north west of England. Just change names and discreetly use united as the template. The outrage alone would give the film the oxygen it needs to be a success

On a side issue does the megastore close during the memorial?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Is it possible the club kept there head down whilst it was all pretty fresh in the memory due to the shitty despicable way they treated the survivors and widows?

who knows - you could argue it also predated Talkshite/Slysports etc blanket coverage but the BBC and Granada never went big on it either.