United thread 2018/19

[Parisian]

I'm not comparing the UAE & Qatar, I have zero bias. I have zero inclination to critise PSG or their owners.

The difference is, Sheikh Mansour has attended just 1 game in over 10 years, has never been publiclly linked to City. Phelan doesn't hold press conferences, we don't even know if he watches the game. Our owners have consistently deliberately avoided any press, they don't respond to media attacks or praise.
The only person/people you hear from at City are people directly involved with the club. Namely, Mubarak (Chair), Sorriano (CEO) & Pep (manager).

To suggest I'm showing bias because I think Sheikh Mansour is far less involved personally in City than Al-Khelaïfi is in PSG is just daft.
ADUG, are looking to create football domination. I agree there. But QSI are on a whole other level. For them, it's about vanity for me. Including a World Cup in a country where no one wants it.

If you are not biased, you are misinformed.
Do you really think Nasser is the owner of PSG ? Couldn't be more far from the truth.
Nasser is the guy being put to care on daily basis. It is understandable you would see him everytime. The real owner is this guy : https://www.google.com/search?q=tamim+bin+hamad+al+thani+psg&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=oK9PwkSe-nJQgM%3A%2CmjdSEI_Mf9o5MM%2C_&usg=AI4_-kRko1eaWGR68h6Ri-dS_OvznCNSvQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI9erPhsjgAhXMmVkKHZqRAHwQ9QEwA3oECAQQCA#imgrc=oK9PwkSe-nJQgM:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamim_bin_Hamad_Al_Thani

He is so secretive and not a show off like you said that you didnt even know he was the owner. This should be enough according to your standards to rebrand PSG as a non vanity project.

 

[Blue_Rossy]

Armaan said: ↑
I know, Pogba is the same level as KDB. They are both unstoppable when on form.

not sure if serious or I would load up a brick top "are you takin the piss" gif!!!!

 

[schfc6]

If you are not biased, you are misinformed.
Do you really think Nasser is the owner of PSG ? Couldn't be more far from the truth.
Nasser is the guy being put to care on daily basis. It is understandable you would see him everytime. The real owner is this guy : https://www.google.com/search?q=tamim+bin+hamad+al+thani+psg&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=oK9PwkSe-nJQgM%3A%2CmjdSEI_Mf9o5MM%2C_&usg=AI4_-kRko1eaWGR68h6Ri-dS_OvznCNSvQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI9erPhsjgAhXMmVkKHZqRAHwQ9QEwA3oECAQQCA#imgrc=oK9PwkSe-nJQgM:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamim_bin_Hamad_Al_Thani

He is so secretive and not a show off like you said that you didnt even know he was the owner. This should be enough according to your standards to rebrand PSG as a non vanity project.

Was Neymar vanity or not??

 

[Parisian]

Was Neymar vanity or not??

So, after i put down all your arguments with well documented articles and facts, you want to move goalpoasts ? Haha ! You can't accept being wrong and aknowledging your mistake ?
Neymar is not a vanity. He is a top 3 player in the World.
Do you think Juventus is a vanity project because they took CR7 ? They took him for the same reason PSG took Neymar : excellent player to make a push for CL glory, immense branding power (both Juventus and PSG will have increase deals).
While you see vanity, i see ambition.

 

[schfc6]

So, after i put down all your arguments with well documented articles and facts, you want to move goalpoasts ? Haha ! You can't accept being wrong and aknowledging your mistake ?
Neymar is not a vanity. He is a top 3 player in the World.
Do you think Juventus is a vanity project because they took CR7 ? They took him for the same reason PSG took Neymar : excellent player to make a push for CL glory, immense branding power (both Juventus and PSG will have increase deals).
While you see vanity, i see ambition.

No I dont. I've fully explained my opinion. You keep trying to change it. For me, QSI are more about vanity than ADUG. They are both investing in projects to steer income away from oil only. ADUG have been incredibly open about this. I do however believe QSI & the Qataris are also doing a fair bit of dick waving. The Neymar signing being an example of this.

If United were taken over by the Saudis and they operated in a similar fashion to QSI, I don't think they'd be a power shift. I think PSG are much closer to Chelsea in the way they are ran than they are to City. This is my opinion. There's loads to link PSG & QSI to be all about style and not so much substance. As you say, you've linked up with are mainly about style. I have zero issue or critism for the way PSG are ran.
I just think they're ran differently to City.

Short & tall of it, I'm not worried if the Saudis take over United because very few clubs if any are ran as well and as progressively as City. The CFG is totally unique to my knowledge.
I think PSG are largely failing, purely because QSI underestimated how hard it will be for PSG to win the CL whilst playing in France. Perhaps they see a European super league?

I don't think you're ran as well as City. It's my personal opinion. I think there's more vanity involved with PSG than with City. Just my opinion.

 

[Mr.Feeny]

My point is/remains. PSG is a vanity project. Neymar was a 'my dicks bigger than your dick' signing.

I'd be happy if the Saudi's took over United with a similar model to the Qataris at PSG, I'd shit myself if they took the Mansour approach.

All clubs are vanity projects for their owners. I don't know how many times I have heard City described as a Project by our managers.

Yeah i second Marvin's opinion. It's all a matter if perspective. There isn't much difference between the Qataris and the Emiratis in terms of their approach. Each seems to have bought a club and invested to make it a conduit for a better image. The Saudis buying United would be no different.

 

[Mr.Feeny]

This is where you show your bias.
What is the difference between Qatar and UAE really ?
Both Gulf monarchy based states, oil and gas rich that are protected by the main powers (US, UK, France).
Since Qatar is in a tough situation with their neighbors, they were smart enough to strike a deal with France in case US, UK that are also close to UAE could tip the balance.

Both owners have spent considerable amount of money on said clubs for CL glory but both have failed so far.
What City has over PSG is the PL brand power and the money it brings with it. What PSG has over City is an easier league which means easier trophies and Paris global brand.
If PSG is a vanity project so is City. However, this couldn't be further from the truth. Those guys are good businessmen and they are doing fine for both clubs. Since Ligue 1 will never match Pl appeal, PSG went into strengthening the PSG brand with collaborations with Jordan, Bathing Ape, Koché etc. Lot of fashion collaborations with the goal to make PSG a stand out brand like New York Yankees. This is not a bad idea imo. When they will leave the club, it would be in an overall better place that when they took it.

What is that Mansour approach that is so much better than what is at play at PSG ? For me, they are just both smart and adjusting their politic in regards of (sporting, financial) context

They're carbon copies of each other. Neither is necessarily worse than the other. Although I'd argue that a lot of the sponsorships for PSG are related to Qatar while a lot at City are related to the Emirates for a reason. It's almost a marketing vehicle for the owners. How many times have you seen a "visit Dubai" or a "Visit Qatar" at the matches?

It benefits the respective clubs though. So everyone should be happy, in a way.

 

[Breadsnapper]

Am I the only one who isn't seeing this so called swash buckling football? All they did 2nd half was park the bus ala peg.

I''m with you pal. Clearly I don't know football.

 

[Mr.Feeny]

I'm not comparing the UAE & Qatar, I have zero bias. I have zero inclination to critise PSG or their owners.

The difference is, Sheikh Mansour has attended just 1 game in over 10 years, has never been publiclly linked to City. Phelan doesn't hold press conferences, we don't even know if he watches the game. Our owners have consistently deliberately avoided any press, they don't respond to media attacks or praise.
The only person/people you hear from at City are people directly involved with the club. Namely, Mubarak (Chair), Sorriano (CEO) & Pep (manager).

To suggest I'm showing bias because I think Sheikh Mansour is far less involved personally in City than Al-Khelaïfi is in PSG is just daft.
ADUG, are looking to create football domination. I agree there. But QSI are on a whole other level. For them, it's about vanity for me. Including a World Cup in a country where no one wants it.

Nasser Al Khulaifi doesn't own PSG. He's PSG's version of Khaldoun Al Mubarak.

 

[Parisian]

They're carbon copies of each other. Neither is necessarily worse than the other. Although I'd argue that a lot of the sponsorships for PSG are related to Qatar while a lot at City are related to the Emirates for a reason. It's almost a marketing vehicle for the owners. How many times have you seen a "visit Dubai" or a "Visit Qatar" at the matches?

It benefits the r3spextive clubs though. So everyone should be happy, in a way.

Yeah, i agree with you. I think they are very much alike.
The differences stem from the circonstances. PSG being in Paris, one of the most fashionable city in the world, they would be dumb to not tap in that potential. City being in PL has de facto a branding and financial might almost not possible for a common club. On top of that, they cruised PL last year in a very enjoyable style which does wonder for their own image.
I would say however that in the last years, City has been run better since they have kept their sporting directors while PSG has changed like 4 times in 5 years. City also do have a way better depth than PSG and it will be an huge factor in CL where injuries ans suspensions will add up. Just previous week, PSG took a lot of yellow cards which might rule out a lot of players should they qualify, and we could see a very weak version of what they could potentially do in quaterfinals.
None of the usual suspects are playing out-of-the-worldly this year, it is a golden opportunity for both City and PSG. Hope one of them could capitalize and shut the old cartel up.