United thread 2018/19

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domalino said:
No it doesn't. Read my comment.

Or do you think it's just a massive coincidence that keepers playing for teams with 10 behind the ball all have the best saves per goal stats? Judging by your comments so far it wouldn't surprise me to be fair.

If only we could see him in a different environment? One with world class defenders in front of him, but playing a more open, attacking system. A team like....Spain. I wonder what his shots per goal would be then? Spoiler alert it's 7 shots 6 goals.



Yes, I'd classify a fear of coming for crosses costing United 10 league goals a season as a massive weakness. What would you call a weakness that costs you 10 goals, minor?
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If a team has ten men behind the ball then surely they are facing less shots otherwise it is pointless if they are relying on their goalkeeper? I like how you are quick on the stats when it suits? He hasn't had a good world cup, just like Neur who you have a hard on for? A Neur who conceded 4 goals in 3 games, against 3 very average sides, played poorly and plays for a club team where he rarely gets tested. You have used the World Cup as a stick to beat De Gea with whilst defending Neur. Very selective if you ask me. He costs United ten goals a season? Do you genuinely believe that or is making that up a straw for you to clutch at? He is the only reason United haven't been mid table or worse the last few years. He certainly saves them more than he costs them.


inchy14 said:
Wasting your breath, he has a hard on for all things rag.
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No I don't, going in on De Gea is crazy talk though.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
If a team has ten men behind the ball then surely they are facing less shots
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No. Seriously just think that through for a second.

Team with 10 men behind the ball. Sitting deep in their own third. Conceding possession. Why on earth would those teams (and their goalkeepers) face fewer shots?


Also RE Neuer.

Despite playing 3 games not 4, Neuer made 10 saves in the world cup, from the 14 shots he faced on target.

That's 10/14 (72%) compared to De Gea's 1/11 (14%). Oof that's not so good.

Neuer actually kept Germany in the world cup against Sweden, and stopped them from losing heavily against Mexico, the only black mark would be going forward to try and help get a goal when they were seconds from going out anyway, which I thought was stupid but in reality was ultimately meaningless, they were already going out.

So I really don't think you want to compare De Gea and Neuer.
 
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domalino said:
No. Seriously just think that through for a second.

Team with 10 men behind the ball. Sitting deep in their own third. Conceding possession. Why on earth would those teams (and their goalkeepers) face fewer shots?
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Clueless, Swansea and Burnley played exactly like that and were up there with most shots against, same as De Gea with the rags, very good keeper but extremely limited.
 
domalino said:
No. Seriously just think that through for a second.

Team with 10 men behind the ball. Sitting deep in their own third. Conceding possession. Why on earth would those teams (and their goalkeepers) face fewer shots?
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inchy14 said:
Clueless, Swansea and Burnley played exactly like that and were up there with most shots against, same as De Gea with the rags, very good keeper but extremely limited.
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As they have less space for them attacking teams to break down and create more chances? Like Russia did with Spain yesterday? As United aren't as bad as the teams mentioned there they will concede fewer chances too. I'm the clueless one though rating De Gea, much like the rest of the world.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
As they have less space for them attacking teams to break down and create more chances? Like Russia did with Spain yesterday? As United aren't as bad as the teams mentioned there they will concede fewer chances too. I'm the clueless one though rating De Gea, much like the rest of the world.
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So now you're using Russia, who faced 24 shots yesterday, as an example of how teams who sit deep don't face many shots on goal?

Genius.
 
meeesh said:
Do you get off with being such an horrible bastard on here,or are you just an irritating shit ?
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Sorry Meesh but when people say things like "you sound like a deluded bitter idiot." I no longer feel the need to be polite to them and have no issue pointing out when they make fools of themselves.

Fact is he's trying to argue something so laughably, obviously untrue while assuring himself that people saying otherwise are clueless, and if you're going to argue the sky is green like that you deserve to be treated like an idiot.
 
De Gea is a good keeper despite his poor showing in the WC, wouldn’t swap Ederson for him though, still can’t understand how Allison is keeping him out of the Brazil team, he looks seriously ropey at set pieces..!
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
How many actually troubled the keeper?
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That's exactly my point. Teams who sit back and defend deep face a lot of shots from frustrated that don't bother the keeper at all, which is why keepers like De Gea, Pope and co. have such inflated "saves per goal" statistics, which is why it's not a measure of how good a keeper is.

Put a keeper like that in a team that's more open, and their numbers absolutely plummet.

Tom is arguing that teams who sit back and defend deep face fewer shots (factually wrong) so that when a keeper has a higher "saves per goal" stat it's even more impressive.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
He hasn't had a good world cup, just like Neur who you have a hard on for? A Neur who conceded 4 goals in 3 games, against 3 very average sides, played poorly and plays for a club team where he rarely gets tested.
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At least Neur will come out of his penalty area

In fact you'll find him on the edge of the opponents!

DeGea, undoubtedly a good keeper otherwise he wouldn't be rags number one. We saw how ruthless Mourinho was when he took over at Chelsea and replaced Cudicini with Cech
I do think though that some of his "spectacular" saves are glamorised by him and really are just "good" saves. That Arsenal game last season being a typical example. DeGea had a very busy game,played extremely well and didn't make any errors. I honestly don't think he made any worldies, just made good saves look spectacular. Every keeper will have an exceptional match, but as DeGea plays for the worlds greatest and biggest club "(TM)", he will always generate more plaudits (see every other good but hugely overrated rag player in the last 40 years)

In fact it was DeGea trying to make an ordinary bread and butter save look good that cost the rags vs Sevilla

 
domalino said:
Sorry Meesh but when people say things like "you sound like a deluded bitter idiot." I no longer feel the need to be polite to them and have no issue pointing out when they make fools of themselves.

Fact is he's trying to argue something so laughably, obviously untrue while assuring himself that people saying otherwise are clueless, and if you're going to argue the sky is green like that you deserve to be treated like an idiot.
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Fair comment,but deep down you must admit he is the biggest asset they have,unfortunately,without him they would be nowhere near the top 4 ! Saves them so many times,a bit like Hart did for us with his golden gloves awards...........but I ain't restarting that debate neither :)
 
meeesh said:
Fair comment,but deep down you must admit he is the biggest asset they have,unfortunately,without him they would be nowhere near the top 4 ! Saves them so many times,a bit like Hart did for us with his golden gloves awards...........but I ain't restarting that debate neither :)
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I think he does save them, but he is also causing them some big issues. Have you ever known a Mourinho side to concede so many set piece goals a season? It's a massive outlier compared to all his other clubs and the fact he's got a goalie who will not come for a cross is a big reason for it.

That issue alone is going to stop them from ever becoming a proper Chelsea 04-07 style Mourinho side.

Which is great for us.
 
domalino said:
Sorry Meesh but when people say things like "you sound like a deluded bitter idiot." I no longer feel the need to be polite to them and have no issue pointing out when they make fools of themselves.

Fact is he's trying to argue something so laughably, obviously untrue while assuring himself that people saying otherwise are clueless, and if you're going to argue the sky is green like that you deserve to be treated like an idiot.
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Arguing something that isn't true, rich considering you plucked "costing 10 goals a season" out of nowhere. To be fair I have just seen Spain had nine shots on target. No one would say the keeper was ever troubled though was he. That's because of Russias set up it limited the amount of clear cut goal scoring chances. Believe what you want, the fact you don't rate De Gea shows how credible your logic is to begin with..........
 
domalino said:
I think he does save them, but he is also causing them some big issues. Have you ever known a Mourinho side to concede so many set piece goals a season? It's a massive outlier compared to all his other clubs and the fact he's got a goalie who will not come for a cross is a big reason for it.

That issue alone is going to stop them from ever becoming a proper Chelsea 04-07 style Mourinho side.

Which is great for us.
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Is that the keeper or not having a John Terry in front of them? Get your head out of your arse. If you think looking at that United team De Gea causes big issues then you need to take up a new sport.
 
dickie davies said:
At least Neur will come out of his penalty area

In fact you'll find him on the edge of the opponents!

DeGea, undoubtedly a good keeper otherwise he wouldn't be rags number one. We saw how ruthless Mourinho was when he took over at Chelsea and replaced Cudicini with Cech
I do think though that some of his "spectacular" saves are glamorised by him and really are just "good" saves. That Arsenal game last season being a typical example. DeGea had a very busy game,played extremely well and didn't make any errors. I honestly don't think he made any worldies, just made good saves look spectacular. Every keeper will have an exceptional match, but as DeGea plays for the worlds greatest and biggest club "(TM)", he will always generate more plaudits (see every other good but hugely overrated rag player in the last 40 years)

In fact it was DeGea trying to make an ordinary bread and butter save look good that cost the rags vs Sevilla

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Ederson comes out of his penalty area, that trait alone has cost us goals but not something I'd change? Lets remove the bitter blue tag and accept when a red twat is good.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
Is that the keeper or not having a John Terry in front of them?
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It's because of the keeper. Even John Terry is going to get beaten in the air sometimes, which is why you want the bloke who can catch the ball above everyone's head to come and sort it out as often as possible.

This isn't news either, or one man's crazy opinion, a lot of United fans have known for a long time he doesn't come for crosses enough and it costs them goals.

Look at the OT derby last season for a perfect example. 1st goal, corner comes in on the 6 yard box line, Otamendi beats lukaku for a header. Neuer, Oblak, Courtois all come off their line and claim that ball or punch it away. Otamendi is not a big guy, every keeper can catch it above his head.

Second goal ball flies harmlessly over every City player on the line of the 6 yard box where Lukaku tries to volley clear. Every other top keeper catches that ball for fun, unchallenged, no need to jump. De Gea rooted to the line.

There's 2 examples, but it happened at least 10 times last season. I used 10 as it's the number of set piece goals they conceded, but in truth some of those won't have been his fault, while there will be some crosses from open play he cocked up for as well.
 
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It seems to me that United's sporting director simply wanders about trying to sign high profile players with no regard to what the manager wants.

Consequently, I predict that Mourinho will self-implode next year, falling out with players, staff and management alike. Thank God the scum have Woodward.
 
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