United thread 2018/19

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Thaksinssoldier said:
I think that's harsh. Van Gaal got slated because at the time City were in the ascendancy but the press were also helping sew the seeds for Jose.

If you look back on his time, he was bringing young players in and putting them into a system. Given time I've no doubt he'd have won or competed for a title with that squad.

But they panicked and were seduced by Jose as a cure, and when Van Gaal left Jose inherited a team of players nowhere near suitable for him.

It was a perfect storm and it's great to see the train wreck they are now, but I honestly believe they were mad to sack Van Gaal.
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You are saying you thought LVG was on course for a title challenge/win?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s criminal how infrequently it gets cited as the root of their demise. If someone with serious cash had bought united at the start of the century, the club would be in much better nick right now and that individual would have made a fucking mint. The Glazers are a cancer on that club. They are bleeding it dry.
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maybe but still back managers to tune of 400 million how long it can last is another question
 
Tom_mcfc said:
You are saying you thought LVG was on course for a title challenge/win?
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I think if they'd kept him they'd be closer than they are today. All of the best teams in Europe right now dominate games with a possession based game.

Van Gaal's version of that is outdated, but it did instill the fundamentals, and if they'd let him finish his job and then brought in another possession based manager with more modern thoughts on attacking, they could be right up there with us.

Instead, they replaced one dinosaur with another, a man whose entire style of play goes against what is currently successful.

There are quite a few managers out there who could take a Van Gaal side, add a bit more attacking flair and intensity off the ball and create an exciting team challenging for titles. No one will take anything from Mourinho's work, it's rebuilding from brick 1 again.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
You are saying you thought LVG was on course for a title challenge/win?
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He is saying that LVG had a long term approach (the united way?) which United couldn't stomach so switched to JM ( instant gratification).

The more managers they go through, the more the lust for success grows and the less patience they have for it.


If the club don't change, The next manager is fucked before he starts.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
No they can't.

First they have to offload players and those "comical" wages and pay off those contracts. The Glazers and Woodward are going to quite rightly say to ZZ or anyone else "if you're such a great manager you can turn this around on a reasonable budget" -- no manager is going to get carte blanche. Every current transfer failure makes them more skittish about future transfer failures.

Then, whatever the budget, a manager has to find players that want to come to a "project" -- a project that very well may have no CL football next season. The task is enormous. Then they have to actually perform in a league with City, Liverpool and Chelsea in it, among others, as well.

I just don't think people understand how truly fucked in the cornhole they are. They are caught in a negative feedback loop, otherwise known as a death spiral.

If the Glazers stay, 2-3 years from now they are going to finish in the bottom half. Mark my words.

The worst thing that can happen if you're rooting against them is that the Glazers sell their interest.
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Nah, I just disagree with that (the first half at least). They aren't going to hire Zidane then hamstring him in the transfer market, and he wouldn't take the job without being able to spend either.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I think that's harsh. Van Gaal got slated because at the time City were in the ascendancy but the press were also helping sew the seeds for Jose.

If you look back on his time, he was bringing young players in and putting them into a system. Given time I've no doubt he'd have won or competed for a title with that squad.

But they panicked and were seduced by Jose as a cure, and when Van Gaal left Jose inherited a team of players nowhere near suitable for him.

It was a perfect storm and it's great to see the train wreck they are now, but I honestly believe they were mad to sack Van Gaal.
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Don't forget Pep's announcement.

Almost as soon as it became certain Guardiola was joining us, there was a media frenzy to have Mourinho at Old Trafford because he was the only one who could take him on and beat him. The 2 biggest managers in the world, 1 at the Old Giant of English football and the other at the Noveau Riche upstart trying to take their crown blah blah blah.

Not to mention the panic on the United side. "They've got Guardiola, how can we keep up? We can't let them have 4 years of winning under Pep, we've got to get Jose, he'll put him in his place like he did in Spain (ha!)".


Mourinho was the wrong manager at the wrong time appointed for the wrong reasons and despite fluking his way through the easiest Europa League draw in history and winning the League Cup final because of a refereeing catastrophe, this ending has been coming since the day he arrived.
 
I'd like to make the proposition that Manchester United, first and foremost is now a vehicle that seeks to maximise its commercial opportunities and to add value to increase its market capitalisation.

For the Glazers, I'd guess the first thing they look at is the share price and the worth of their investment. Of course, I'm sure they understand the importance of on the field success insofar as it's an important prerequisite to commercial success.

The club's values and culture is so far removed from the glory glory days of Busby and to some extent latterly to Ferguson, it is to all intents and purposes a different entity in all but name.

And there's the problem if you're the Glazers. I genuinely believe they saw on the field success as a given. Now the reality is setting in that there could be a prolonged period of relative failure, the penny will drop that their off field commercial profits and sponsorships are hugely at risk from johnny come lately supporters that jumped on the band wagon when the club won all before it losing interest to sponsors who want to back winners not losers.

And if you think I'm over egging it, can I point out the share price has tumbled 14% from this year's high?

Those who think that funding for new players is always available, should think again. There is a limit even for Manchester United.

Whether that leads to a new sense of realism and humility is a moot point at best. But swapping Mourinho for Zidane is unlikely to yield a quick return to being competitive.
 
Some Rag twat being interviewed outside OT by SSN has offered the opinion that Paul POB-GA is the main problem.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Nah, take off you blue glasses.
Rashford and Lingard are quality, they are just in a shit team and managed by a nob.
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Lingard, Jesus wept, he's at least two levels below. Honestly if you think he's anywhere near our level, football isn't for you.

We have fans not sure about Gundogan & Mahrez, Lingard isn't even comparable to them. Not even close.

I can't personally understand anyone rating Rashford, but that's not as wild as fucking Lingard.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Well, i don't watch united lol, but what i have seen of the two of them i think i see two players who are held beck by the manager and the squads they play in.
I don't go for digital opinions, so i think there is a bit of ground between fucking wank and fucking amazing. As they stand, they are decent enough. Under Pep i think they would be very good.
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You don't watch rag games but you can tell they are 2 good players?
 
To be fair, it is quite hard to tell how good a player is in a dysfunctional team. Fred has been bang average for United so far, but City certainly wanted him, and I'm sure we'd have hoped he'd be a damn sight better in our team than he has in theirs.
 
Gaudion M said:
I was away this weekend so didn't catch any of the usual football coverage. I thought i'd have a quick look at the Sunday Supplement to gauge the mood. My words they were ripping into the rags and mostly PEG. I don't see how he can survive. Which is a shame as the danger is they will get someone competent in.
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As I’ve mentioned on more than one occasion, people were saying that after the rags sacked both Gollum and TT.
 
The rags will never get anyone competent in because their owners know fuck all about football, and those running the club do so only to appease the mindless sheep who support them, who mostly only want a 'big name manager' because they still believe their shithouse club is on a level with the likes of us, Chelsea, Barca and Real Madrid.

So they'll end up with another has-been on a huge wage who changes the players and insists on his ego being pandered to, and they're back to square one again. The rags will never have the foresight or bollocks to appoint someone like Eddie Howe or Ranieri or Sarri.
 
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