United Thread - 2021/22

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The pub I was in last night was full of rags celebrating like they’d won the champions league when the second went in last night. It was a fantastic sight to behold the mood turn when Villa equalised. They are a desperate, desperate club and fan base, I don’t think they have a clue who their next manager will be.
 
The pub I was in last night was full of rags celebrating like they’d won the champions league when the second went in last night. It was a fantastic sight to behold the mood turn when Villa equalised. They are a desperate, desperate club and fan base, I don’t think they have a clue who their next manager will be.
They know who their next noodle partner will be. That’s what really matters.
 
Dwight Yorke by a country mile. I would say he’s is a moron in the clinical sense. Having met him, and been in his company for about an hour at a social event in Glasgow about 15 years ago, I speak with a level of personal experience on the matter. He is a palpably stupid man.


Don’t agree that Ferdinand is thick. Just because someone isn’t especially articulate doesn’t mean they are unintelligent. Some of the smartest people I’ve dealt with can barely read and write. Think Ferdinand expresses his thoughts in a far clearer and more coherent manner than Yorke, who isn’t capable of independent thought imo.

fwiw, would also say Owen, Beckham and Robson (who didn’t make your list) are discernibly thicker than Ferdinand. Far duller too, especially the first two who are sinfully dull.

Hargreaves, Fletcher and Keane shouldn’t be in there (again imo) as they are relatively bright.
Agree on Yorke.

I didn't say you have to be articulate to be smart, just that his judgement was terrible. Judgement is an indicator of intellect or lack thereof too. I can't consider someone who thinks Ronaldo is the best player of all time intelligent (especially when he's clearly not strong willed enough to remove his own bias as his mate when making the call). Or someone who's wrong as often as Ferdinand is.

Hargreaves, Fletcher and Keane don't seem bright to me. Yes they can put together sentences, but again they have terrible football opinions. Being able to express thoughts doesn't mean those opinions are logical. For instance, many people who posted on Stomfront before it was shut down were extremely knowledgeable and articulate, but were they intelligent? Look at the content of their opinions, they are articulate but if they were that bright they wouldn't be racists in the first place would they? They had extremely stupid opinions which to the gullible came across as intelligent because they had the gift of the gab. The oldest trick in the book politically. Likewise, Fletcher or Hargreaves might be able to express themselves fairly well but it doesn't change the fact that Fletcher's an awful coach and his opinions when he was a pundit were sketchy to say the least and purely informed by his narrow-minded 'MUFC, what would Ferguson do?' world view. This is the problem with all these ex United players - they view United and non United football matters through the prism of their narrow experience of being a Man United player. They don't have a frame of reference in terms of football other than that. It's all they know, which is why so many Ferguson acolytes make dogshit managers. They try to copy his outdated ideas and fail miserably.

Gary Neville is quite a good and free flowing talker but the content of his opinions is generally repugnant and, again, everything he thinks is informed by agenda and his United in the 90s world view and experience.

If Keane is bright how come he completely lacks emotional intelligence and was unable to make it as a manager? You'd think he'd have had some good methods. Although this might be a flawed point because Frank Lampard is apparently very intelligent yet he's proved to be a mediocre manager so far.

Overall, it matters very little to me whether Ferdinand or any of these other pricks are intelligent or unintelligent. What I have a problem with is they're paid to talk football and constantly talk bollocks and get things wrong. They're the champions of hindsight, even if they have a 798 IQ.
 
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Dwight Yorke by a country mile. I would say he is a moron in the clinical sense. Having met him, and been in his company for about an hour at a social event in Glasgow about 15 years ago, I speak with a level of personal experience on the matter. He is a palpably stupid man.

Don’t agree that Ferdinand is thick. Just because someone isn’t especially articulate doesn’t mean they are unintelligent. Some of the smartest people I’ve dealt with can barely read and write. Think Ferdinand expresses his thoughts in a far clearer and more coherent manner than Yorke, who isn’t capable of independent thought imo.

fwiw, would also say Owen, Beckham and Robson (who didn’t make your list) are discernibly thicker than Ferdinand. Far duller too, especially the first two who are sinfully dull.

Hargreaves, Fletcher and Keane shouldn’t be in there (again imo) as they are relatively bright.

Yea Ferdinand might be smarter than those you mentioned but he wasnt smarter than the doping authority :) which he thought he was
 
They know who their next noodle partner will be. That’s what really matters.
While that is true, they also know that game after game they'll be gifted goals (or just points) by their opponents.
Their first yesterday was shite keeping their second was gifted by Villa's defence. You could argue we were gifted a similar one at Villa a couple of seasons ago but we were five-one up at the time so it was hardly relevant. But how often do you hear teams should be two, three or four up against the rags yet it's still 0-0? Too many opponents still shit the bed when facing them. A rag colleague admitted De Gea was worth 30 points a season to them which showed how bad the rest of the team were; I'd guess incompetent opponents contribute another 30 points.
We laugh at them, we see how shite they are, but they were equally shite last season yet finished second, reached a semi-final and were runners up in the Thursday League.
The tick has tocked for many, but I won't agree until their league position reflects their shiteness.
 
They were the ultimate kings of pressing for a whopping 30 minutes against Palace. Truly, it was like watching prime Barca all over again. They keep asking why they haven't replicated it since and can't do it again? I too am staggered that an unfit team of lazy overrated deluded prima donnas in their first game under a new manager can press hard for half an hour but can't keep doing it when the honeymoon is over and there are another 5 months of the season left, rather than doing it for just that 30 minute period. It is mind-boggling really, what a conundrum. I don't think we can solve this.
A bit like when we signed Mcminimum and he looked good, but that was only for about 20 mins!
 
Agree on Yorke.

I didn't say you have to be articulate to be smart, just that his judgement was terrible. Judgement is an indicator of intellect or lack thereof too. I can't consider someone who thinks Ronaldo is the best player of all time intelligent (especially when he's clearly not strong willed enough to remove his own bias as his mate when making the call). Or someone who's wrong as often as Ferdinand is.

Hargreaves, Fletcher and Keane don't seem bright to me. Yes they can put together sentences, but again they have terrible football opinions. Being able to express thoughts doesn't mean those opinions are logical. For instance, many people who posted on Stomfront before it was shut down were extremely knowledgeable and articulate, but were they intelligent? Look at the content of their opinions, they are articulate but if they were that bright they wouldn't be racists in the first place would they? They had extremely stupid opinions which to the gullible came across as intelligent because they had the gift of the gab. The oldest trick in the book politically. Likewise, Fletcher or Hargreaves might be able to express themselves fairly well but it doesn't change the fact that Fletcher's an awful coach and his opinions when he was a pundit were sketchy to say the least.

If Keane is bright how come he completely lacks emotional intelligence and was unable to make it as a manager? You'd think he'd have had some good methods. Although this might be a flawed point because Frank Lampard is apparently very intelligent yet he's proved to be a mediocre manager so far.
Fuck me you can type fast!

We’re probably going to engage in some satellite litigation here, but intelligent people are perfectly capable of exercising poor judgement in terms of football, or more widely. I’ve encountered many intelligent people who repeatedly display poor judgement. Not sure I’d necessarily conflate the two. Plenty of people I know who aren’t that bright habitually exercise good judgement too. Alhough, I guess judgement is definitely a form of intelligence, so on that basis you have a point. It’s a complicated debate, as the human brain is such a complex organ.

Also profoundly disagree that being racist and intelligent are mutually exclusive. Lamentably, plenty of intelligent people are racist. They are the dangerous ones.

I’m not sue I’d agree that Keane completely lacks emotional intelligence, but even if he did it’s a separate metric imo. And I consciously said ‘relatively intelligent’. Wouldn’t describe him as intelligent without that caveat. Not within the context of my own personal experience at least.

Lastly, I also think there’s an arguable case for Ronaldo being the greatest footballer of all time, given his track record and physique at his prime. He’d certainly make my best XI. Not sure if that makes me a bit thick.

Not for me to say, I guess…
 
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