United Thread - 2021/22

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mccity said:
The United squad was actually pretty bad around that time all things considered. Massively propped up by Ferguson in a relatively uncompetitive league (he was the best at that time at consistently beating the shittier sides).

Now's the first time since Ferguson left that I actually think they have a potentially very good squad.



Unless you were referring to the United way part, in which case yes and that's been pretty funny throughout.
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You're on fucking crack right?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Dortmund finished 23 points behind Bayern last season. German football has never been weaker. Sancho has achieved nothing so far in his career and he has looked shit for England against pub teams. He is just totally over-hyped as he was in our youth team. Not even on the same planet as Phil Foden. The media used to use Sancho as a stick to beat City but the truth is Pep knows better than anyone how to develop young talent. He doesn't make many mistakes. Where is Brahim Diaz these days?
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Spot on.
 
mccity said:
He's actually not. He's known for being good at bringing the ball out of defence, a couple videos of him getting it comically wrong isn't going to change that. Stones made errors too with his passing but I wouldn't call him a shit passer.
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He's 'known' where? The fucking lump struggles to run without the ball, never mind with it.
 
mccity said:
I mean a year ago nobody was saying Chelsea had a great squad that was going to fairly comfortably win the CL and then with one new striker go on to mount a PL title campaign.

United have a really strong squad, it might not be as good as the 3 teams mentioned but it's a lot closer to them than it is to Arsenal or Tottenham.



I think if Pep went there, he'd have a lot of players he'd do well with:

De Gea is a bit of a loon but he's a great shot stopper on his day. Henderson is a guy I think Pep would like to work with.

Wan Bissaka would be a milder version of Walker with someone to teach him where to position himself, which Pep would do. Pep would love Shaw's attacking credentials and again teach him where to stand in defence. Maguire has proven to be a high quality defender at Leicester and for England. Maybe not spectacular but he's great at carrying the ball forwards and strong in the air which Pep would love. Varane would be good under Pep too.

Fred was great before United, and we weren't linked with him by accident. Van De Beek was a hot prospect from Ajax who'd have been primed to play the Pep game. Pogba has shown that in a structured side he's actually good, and Pep would love his ability to play long passes.

We know Pep rates Sancho. Cavani is a workhorse + great goalscorer. Fernandes might be overrated but under Pep his direct goal influence would be made use of. Greenwood the same as Fernandes. Rashford is like Shaw, a good manager would teach him to not be so stupid all the time. And Ronaldo knows where the net is, even if he is a lazy primadonna Pep would always have time for a goalscorer (if he is willing to drop the ego..).

They do have some dross that Pep would bin off, but they have a lot of players that you can see have suffered from terrible coaching; Rashford being the biggest victim.


We can pretend the players aren't great but they came 2nd last season with Ole at the helm. If the most poorly coached team in the league finishes 2nd then you can probably say that the players are good. This is why it's so important Ole stays.
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How much part did PiGMOL's crew play in that ?
 
superseiyan said:
About that squad, why are pundits so sure they should be title challengers?

they have a good attack (but even then not THAT amazing—but yes hood) but look what’s behind them and look at the bench.

A basic midfield, Maguire is limited or needs a proper partner and is a terrible choice of captain, Shaw would only work with a forward on his side with better work rate, Wan Bissaka is limited (he’d be very good for a club like Crystal Pakace actually), etc.

But even granting them a decent XI, the squad is not very good is it? They’re level is in the chasing pack. I honestly don’t think they are significantly better than Leicester or West Ham.

i don’t think they are better overall than the Chelsea team Lampard was managing before Tuchel came in.

and sure they can get Conte or Zidane but the new coach would need the authority to bench Ronaldo or Maguire when he thinks it’s best and to make some of his own signings. Ole is not good and will be the fall guy, but yea I’m a way they might as well wait and figure what they want from their overall setup (ofcourse I selfishly hope it NEVER clicks!).

unrelated question—why did they sign Sancho?? It’s not even about whether he is good but I’m thinking of whether they needed him.
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Someone else might have signed him. Same as always.
 
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