United Thread - 2023/24

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Crooked_rain said:
Because he was never any kind of visionary and his style of football was becoming old hat.

He was a good boss of a team that outspent everyone when the league was basically poor. Most teams and managers in the league had no real tactical awareness back then, most teams had technically poor players etc etc. It was just a case of teams turning up every weekend in their rigid formation and seeing what they can do. The technical ability of players right throughout the league today is way beyond what its ever has been.

I think today's teams are way better prepared and coached than in the past, especially bottom half teams.

Slur Alex wouldn't cut it in today's Premier league. We saw him go up against Pep in champions league finals and his only idea was to man mark Messi lol did he think nobody had attempted that before or that Messi would give a damn about a player following him around the pitch? He tore them a new arsehole either way.
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Not disagreeing with anything you have said but i think we have to accept the hard shoulder shitter was a decent manager. Not coach, he didnt coach, he wasnt on the training pitch. But he had ‘something’ in an admittedly inferior league.
Hes probs the best manager the english league has seen. As a coach he isnt a million miles near pep
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Not disagreeing with anything you have said but i think we have to accept the hard shoulder shitter was a decent manager. Not coach, he didnt coach, he wasnt on the training pitch. But he had ‘something’ in an admittedly inferior league.
Hes probs the best manager the english league has seen. As a coach he isnt a million miles near pep
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I still say Brian Clough was better.

He took two average second division sides to the league title without the fortunes to spend that the pisscan had.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Clough was a genius but lets not forget he wasnt shy in smashing transfer records either

But yeah. Doing what he did with forest will never be repeated. Ever
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He only broke transfer records, after he’d made the clubs successful.

When he went to both Derby and Forest, neither had a pot to piss in.

Both were mediocre second division clubs, when he took over.

The pisscan had almost unlimited funds from the time he arrived at rag central.
 
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Manchester United, a commercial institution in which the owner (Glazers) seeked to exploit the club for the resources the club provides to him.

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Manchester City, a football club in which the owner (Sheikh Mansour) seeked to better the footballing performance with the resources he provides voluntarily to the club.

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That is the root cause of recent animosity. United fans would kill to have similar ownership and it hurts them everyday that their local rivals have what they yearn for deep down.

Remember how they were foaming at the mouth hoping they'd be bought by Sheikh Jassim?
 
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Vienna_70 said:
He only broke transfer records, after he’d made the clubs successful.

When he went to both Derby and Forest, neither had a pot to piss in.

Both were mediocre second division clubs, when he took over.

The pisscan had almost unlimited funds from the time he arrived at rag central.
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yes...but..Forest smashed the world transfer record for a goal keeper when buying peter shilton....around 4 games into the 1st Division season..after being promoted the season before. They had just lost at Highbury Arsenal ,John Middleton making a couple of errors, England under 21 keeper....but not up to Clough or former goal keeper himself Peter Taylor's required level.

That was a very important purchase, when Forest had won very little..
Promotion and the old Anglo Cup......Shilton turned that Forest defence into a mean machine, and his two world Class saves from big Mick Ferguson's headers at Highfield road ,Coventry on the penultimate day of the season ,were instrumental in ensuring Forest were champions that season. Clough himself said Shilton was worth between 12 and 14 points for forest that season...

If that's not buying success, then I don't know what is ;)

Edit: but Ferguson definitely had unlimited funds from day one at utd.
Pallister Danny Wallace, Paul ince,etc etc.
 
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