United Thread - 2023/24

[Bluesince1979]

The video and transcript prove that he is a rapist and a woman beater, its only that he hasn't been convincted because his partner is weak, manipulated and abused.
As a father of a girl this acceptance by Manchester United and normalisation of rape and abuse of woman deeply concerns me

This is why i keep repeating that united should pay him up and get rid. Any decent club would do that and to hell with the cost.

But they wont, because when it comes to the scum, its all about the dollar

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

You don’t need to be convicted to be sacked from your job.

If any of us did what Greenwood did, what percentage of us would still be in a job a week later, let alone 18 months?

Yes my understanding is you are correct you don't need to be convicted to be sacked. The law though is pretty strict about when you can be fired after an trail and this wasn't even that... the irony is United would, as I understand it be in a better position to fire him had he been found not guilty! This would be viewed as an accusation.

The second point, this would be going to ACAS for a normal person without question should they be fired, but I very much doubt something like this would take 18months for you or I!

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[Alan Harper's Tash]

Contrast how we treated mendy. Wages stopped paying, see you later. No concern about anything else but the right thing to do

It’s different to Mendy and not really comparable as his trial ended at the same time as his contract with us ran out.

Greenwood was also suspended after being charged, up until the point the charges were dropped. Now he’s being paid, unlike Mendy, who was a free agent.

Mendy also was tried and acquitted. Greenwood hasn’t been.

United have spent 6 months carrying out an internal investigation, which sounds more like setting up a strategy to bring him back into the fold in a lot of detail.

What can’t go away are the images and audio that the world has seen and heard.

We’d all like to think that City would have paid of Mendy if he had more time on his contract. We probably would have done too as he’d been shite for us and hardly ever fit.

Had it been Foden, I’m not as certain we’d have done the right thing, but hope we would have.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yes my understanding is you are correct you don't need to be convicted to be sacked. The law though is pretty strict about when you can be fired after an trail and this wasn't even that... the irony is United would, as I understand it be in a better position to fire him had he been found not guilty! This would be viewed as an accusation.

The second point, this would be going to ACAS for a normal person without question should they be fired, but I very much doubt something like this would take 18months for you or I!

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It’d be quite a short ACAS hearing though.

Exhibit A: Battered face.
Exhibit B: Audio of potential rape.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Yes my understanding is you are correct you don't need to be convicted to be sacked. The law though is pretty strict about when you can be fired after an trail and this wasn't even that... the irony is United would, as I understand it be in a better position to fire him had he been found not guilty! This would be viewed as an accusation.

The second point, this would be going to ACAS for a normal person without question should they be fired, but I very much doubt something like this would take 18months for you or I!

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If a person, on investigation by the employer, is found guilty of gross misconduct, they can be dismissed. What that severance would be, would be down to the two parties, and this is what is being taken into consideration, not the legal entity.

A form of administrative action, one of those regulations will be ‘Bringing the club into disrepute’, and that’s what they seem to be toying with, even in a case like this.

As I said, their actions are a stain on their club and can never be seen as a champion of social values going forward.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Got to disagree with you here. For whatever you think about what happened, by law someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court. We can argue about his guilt, but the fact remains within our system as it currently stands, those that prosecute crime don't believe they can prove his guilt. For what its worth, my view is that the system we have that effectively punishes his girlfriend if she proceeds with a complaint is wrong beyond words.

That being said as an employer, United have a duty of care to their contracted employee however distasteful that might be. Now if it was a situation like Lee Hughes I would agree with you.

Do you think Prince Andrew should have all of his privileges returned and be welcomed back into the circle and sent out as an ambassador for the UK on business trips? He's never been convicted of any offence.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If a person, on investigation by the employer, is found guilty of gross misconduct, they can be dismissed. What that severance would be, would be down to the two parties, and this is what is being taken into consideration, not the legal entity.

A form of administrative action, one of those regulations will be ‘Bringing the club into disrepute’, and that’s what they seem to be toying with, even in a case like this.

As I said, their actions are a stain on their club and can never be seen as a champion of social values going forward.

It’s interesting seeing peoples’ differing opinions on Schofield, Edwards, Wooton and Greenwood.

Sometimes the same person is arguing for some and against others, when all are borderline illegal and certainly immoral.

 

[Ric]

Looks like the inevitable u-turn is now coming. They’ve handled this terribly though. Richard Arnold seems even more incompetent than his predecessor.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Do you think Prince Andrew should have all of his privileges returned and be welcomed back into the circle and sent out as an ambassador for the UK on business trips? He's never been convicted of any offence.

Really good analogy, not meaning to dodge this, don't really follow the royals or support them. However you are correct, if you see Andrew as an employee my defence would apply equally to him, thank you for giving me that perspective.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Looks like the inevitable u-turn is now coming. They’ve handled this terribly though. Richard Arnold seems even more incompetent than his predecessor.

Thankfully, though he was good on Good morning Britain:-)