United Thread - 2023/24

[Paladin]

Is your problem one of phase of play? Because that only comes into play :) when an offside offence is committed. Casemiro didn't commit an offside offence even though he was in an offside position when Rashford played the ball. He wasn't offside at all when the ball was played to him. No offside offence = no problem with phase of play.

Fine. I need to read up on phase of play. Can you find one place where this is explained in the LOTG please? I've looked, but can't find anything.

 

[standupifyouhatemanu]

The first line in the FA handbook reads "It is not an offence to be in an offside position."

It's as simple as that really.

Yes, he's stood offside when the pass is played to the Portuguese rat, but that's not an offence.
Him being there doesn't impact anybody's ability to play the ball, he doesn't interfere with any opponent, he doesn't move towards the ball or try to play it either. He's committing no offence by being there.

When the ball is played to him, he's onside.

There really is no issue with their second goal. It's a fair goal.

Apart from the rat river for the free kick.

The first line in the FA handbook reads "It is not an offence to be in an offside position."

It's as simple as that really.

Yes, he's stood offside when the pass is played to the Portuguese rat, but that's not an offence.
Him being there doesn't impact anybody's ability to play the ball, he doesn't interfere with any opponent, he doesn't move towards the ball or try to play it either. He's committing no offence by being there.

When the ball is played to him, he's onside.

There really is no issue with their second goal. It's a fair goal.

Apart from the fact the rat dived for the free kick

 

[deano ou812]

It’s Clear and organised what’s going on,would forest have got that pen or would the rags have had a player sent off like the forest player..
Would they have fuck ..

 

[mancboy]

It’s Clear and organised what’s going on,would forest have got that pen or would the rags have had a player sent off like the forest player..
Would they have fuck ..

the pen ill give you, even tho city doesnt get that penalty 9 times out of 10 i can see why theyve got away with giving it, but that as a straight red is a joke, he wasnt getting to that ball in a month of sundays whether he was brought down so theres no way thats denial of a goalscoring opportunity

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

the pen ill give you, even tho city doesnt get that penalty 9 times out of 10 i can see why theyve got away with giving it, but that as a straight red is a joke, he wasnt getting to that ball in a month of sundays whether he was brought down so theres no way thats denial of a goalscoring opportunity

There was another defender behind him who could have moved across. Didn’t look like he was the last man, another week of odd decisions at the swamp from the refs.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I beleive this is what is confusing people

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He is clearly in an offside postion here and at an advantage if the ball is played back into him. as he is yards ahead of any defender and the goalie would have to chose to cover him or fernandes running in postionally.

You will see, I would say 80% of the time a flag and the ref do the arm wave to say he ran onside from an offside position.

It is all down to the interpretation of the officials when the passage of play began, if it is when rashford puts it in as per the still above he is off, if it is from when fernandes crosses it is onside, the ref and linesman (and VAR) decided the first ball in wasn,'t relevent, but we have seen plenty given off like this and plenty given on more so at the swamp

tbh that out of context screenshot is the sort of crap I see thrown at City. Sorry, dont mean to rain on your parade but casemiro was on brought down by a forest defender and is getting up there, he wasnt interfering with play, he was on the floor, the ball was clearly crossed over him to rashford, the keeper could see it all the way.

Are you really saying you would want City to not get that? Thats unfair? Because I would be livid if that was cancelled.

 

[mancboy]

There was another defender behind him who could have moved across. Didn’t look like he was the last man, another week of odd decisions at the swamp from the refs.

that 2, that defender could have got across and the ball was running through to the keeper, there is no way you can justify it as denial of a goalscoring opprotunity

 

[Mr Fraser]

It’s Clear and organised what’s going on,would forest have got that pen or would the rags have had a player sent off like the forest player..
Would they have fuck ..

Let's see what happens today for contact in the box today. Precedent has been set

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

that 2, that defender could have got across and the ball was running through to the keeper, there is no way you can justify it as denial of a goalscoring opprotunity

The women’s World Cup was an eye opener with the refs mic’d up. Could you imagine a Premier League ref trying to explain that sending off with out keeping a straight face?

 

[urban genie]

I’d debate your 80% figure and suggest it’s closer to 1%.

When was the last time that anyone in a position similar to Casemiro there was given offside and the goal ruled out?

I could trawl google all day to find clips. but I not wasting my time, but I could say 2022 scousers v chelase league cup semi, matip ruled out as one that comes to mind or the idiocy of our game at the swamp where intefering with play was dismissed by atwell

however it is easy to post the rules

Standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball

Casemeros postion (offside) when rashford plays the ball in is offside as normal and under the rules contunies to be so when fernandes recieves the ball a his original position interferes with the goalies positioning for who he covers (as he has to judge to go to cover a cross or a shot bottom right) as fernandes crosses casemero is onside, bit depending where you decide the passage of play starts then he can be given either on or off.

I still say 80% of the time the official would say the play starts with rashfords ball in and so under the rules he is offside, if the game and VAR officials decide it is from fernades cross so he is on, and whether some disagree or not that is the fact.

Like the ref who made the call on his opinion, saying he was on or off is open to where you think the move started so neither is right or wrong because the rules are batshit in how they can be openly interpreted

There were bigger more obvious officiating errors than this in the game that should be looked at though