United Thread | 2024/25

[Grassland Blue]

Government funding? surely this is sportswashing ;-)

State sponsored business.

 

[Blue Mist]

Where are Trafford Council and the Government going to get the money to do all this work ?
Trafford Council are considering a Green Bin Charge because they are skint. My local councillor has told me how the last Tory Council left them in serious debt.
Starmer has told everyone how they were also left skint by a Tory Government and yet both seem to be willing to spend hundreds of millions of pounds.
As I said to the Councillor. If this area needed improving, if it needed millions spent on it, why has it not been considered before ?
Further, if the rags decide to remain at the swamp and rebuild will the council and the government still spend the money.

He hasn't answered me, I wonder why.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Poor for fans I agree, good for the TV companies though. We all know which takes priority dont we? How long before the schedule is changed to show a couple of games every night? I still think its unfair that some teams go into a game knowing the results of teams around them before the game starts, oh for the days when football was a game for Saturday afternoons with every game kicking off at 3pm

That was generally how it was, though there were occasional midweek games.
Simpler times.

 

[blue whippet]

I know this might not go down well with the majority of you being Manchester based, but here’s my perspective from someone who lives nowhere near Manchester, but still in the North.

When the Commonwealth stadium was built, and you guys took ownership of it, Manchester was in a different place to what it is 22 years later to now. Manchester needed regeneration, and no private company saw money in it to go it alone, so the government had to kick start it.
Right now though Manchester is the Northern London, and although it may not officially be the case, it is both Englands and the UK’s 2nd city now.
Companies are lining up to invest in Manchester, you have skyscrapers etc all being built with private funds, companies moved skilled jobs to the city.
With your stadium, and the new Coop venue, alongside the existing arena, you have massive concerts etc being hosted in Manchester. You’re airport is massively successful and sucks up passengers from not only the North West, but the Midlands, and all the way up into Scotland.
Without being provocative, from the opinion of everyone else in the North, the money for the North by the government for the last 20 years or so has went to Manchester with ministers saying ‘Look we invested in the North’.

For all intends purposes, Manchester doesn’t need government intervention to build a few hotels, some apartment complexes, and a couple of office buildings that will make it attractive for Man Utd to build a new 100k seater fuck off stadium.
The richest clubs figures came out a few days ago and Manchester United are still one of the richest clubs not only in the country, but the world. The land they want to build on is owned by millionaires and billionaires, they have the money to kick start it if they want to. I’m going to say this last bit bluntly as well. If none of it never got built, Manchester as a city isn’t missing out. Tourists will still come to your city to watch both Man Utd and you. Large scale events will still be held in Manchester, jobs will still be created, private companies will still be lining up for available land such as around Old Trafford to build their new offices and apartment complexes.

We (Newcastle United) are about to announce what we are doing with our stadium in the next few months. Will the government be providing funding so we can build a fan park, hotels, and apartments on club land adjacent to SJP?
I doubt it.
Meanwhile half a mile away from SJP an overpass in Gateshead has been forced to close before Christmas. We don’t have the money to demolish it, the government won’t give us emergency funding, and the council has tried and failed on 2 separate occasions in recent years to gain funding from central government. This is a key route from Gateshead into Newcastle, which leads over the Tyne bridge, which is awaiting it’s final amount of money it requires to complete it’s refurbishment, 5 years after it should have been given.
Another bridge across the Tyne is going the same way as the overpass in Gateshead, and that needs funding to deal with that.
The historic High level railway bridge is going to have to be rebuilt in the next few years, there is no funding for that.
Our Metro system still needs its final allocation of funding approved so it can complete its renewal process to keep our Metro system running, 15-20 years after it should have been given. This is just in the Tyneside area, every area outside Greater Manchester, and London will have similar lists of stories.
It would be a complete shambles if Manchester gets government funding so Taylor Swift can perform a concert at Old Trafford instead of the Etihad.

That's a perfectly fair comment and despite being Manchester born and bred I agree with you. The North as a whole needs to develope not just one part of it.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

He seemed more vocal about Everton' charges than ours despite being the mayor of Greater Manchester not Merseyside.

Yep, you can take the **** out of scouse but you can't take the scouse out of the ****, or something like that.

 

[mexico1970]

Yep, you can take the **** out of scouse but you can't take the scouse out of the ****, or something like that.

So harsh but so very very true :)

 

[tommybooth]

Oi!

Stop being disrespectful to cowsheds!

Up the cow sheds. Built in swimming pool as well.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Calm down,not a fucking chance in the world is the tax payer going to fund a stadium for them,it's a pipe dream and there testing the water,they will eventually one day have a stadium but not in my lifetime and I'm being serious

And you're only 7!

 

[TinFoilHat]

I know they played Thursday. It was the reschedule random later kick off time that the PL would never have allowed for any other team, especially not us that annoyed me.

The cunts were at home as well. It's not as if they were flying back from Kazakhstan.

 

[Really_here]

I know this might not go down well with the majority of you being Manchester based, but here’s my perspective from someone who lives nowhere near Manchester, but still in the North.

When the Commonwealth stadium was built, and you guys took ownership of it, Manchester was in a different place to what it is 22 years later to now. Manchester needed regeneration, and no private company saw money in it to go it alone, so the government had to kick start it.
Right now though Manchester is the Northern London, and although it may not officially be the case, it is both Englands and the UK’s 2nd city now.
Companies are lining up to invest in Manchester, you have skyscrapers etc all being built with private funds, companies moved skilled jobs to the city.
With your stadium, and the new Coop venue, alongside the existing arena, you have massive concerts etc being hosted in Manchester. You’re airport is massively successful and sucks up passengers from not only the North West, but the Midlands, and all the way up into Scotland.
Without being provocative, from the opinion of everyone else in the North, the money for the North by the government for the last 20 years or so has went to Manchester with ministers saying ‘Look we invested in the North’.

For all intends purposes, Manchester doesn’t need government intervention to build a few hotels, some apartment complexes, and a couple of office buildings that will make it attractive for Man Utd to build a new 100k seater fuck off stadium.
The richest clubs figures came out a few days ago and Manchester United are still one of the richest clubs not only in the country, but the world. The land they want to build on is owned by millionaires and billionaires, they have the money to kick start it if they want to. I’m going to say this last bit bluntly as well. If none of it never got built, Manchester as a city isn’t missing out. Tourists will still come to your city to watch both Man Utd and you. Large scale events will still be held in Manchester, jobs will still be created, private companies will still be lining up for available land such as around Old Trafford to build their new offices and apartment complexes.

We (Newcastle United) are about to announce what we are doing with our stadium in the next few months. Will the government be providing funding so we can build a fan park, hotels, and apartments on club land adjacent to SJP?
I doubt it.
Meanwhile half a mile away from SJP an overpass in Gateshead has been forced to close before Christmas. We don’t have the money to demolish it, the government won’t give us emergency funding, and the council has tried and failed on 2 separate occasions in recent years to gain funding from central government. This is a key route from Gateshead into Newcastle, which leads over the Tyne bridge, which is awaiting it’s final amount of money it requires to complete it’s refurbishment, 5 years after it should have been given.
Another bridge across the Tyne is going the same way as the overpass in Gateshead, and that needs funding to deal with that.
The historic High level railway bridge is going to have to be rebuilt in the next few years, there is no funding for that.
Our Metro system still needs its final allocation of funding approved so it can complete its renewal process to keep our Metro system running, 15-20 years after it should have been given. This is just in the Tyneside area, every area outside Greater Manchester, and London will have similar lists of stories.
It would be a complete shambles if Manchester gets government funding so Taylor Swift can perform a concert at Old Trafford instead of the Etihad.

Spot on comments, great post, I 100% agree and I live in Manchester.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Manchester United (TWGC) is a national institute.
A bit like Broadmoor.
A fucking mental asylum.

 

[Blue Mist]

Manchester United (TWGC) is a national institute.
A bit like Broadmoor.
A fucking mental asylum.

Hmmmmmm Broadmoor?

More like Billy Fuckin' Smarts Circus.

 

[Blue2112]

I know this might not go down well with the majority of you being Manchester based, but here’s my perspective from someone who lives nowhere near Manchester, but still in the North.

When the Commonwealth stadium was built, and you guys took ownership of it, Manchester was in a different place to what it is 22 years later to now. Manchester needed regeneration, and no private company saw money in it to go it alone, so the government had to kick start it.
Right now though Manchester is the Northern London, and although it may not officially be the case, it is both Englands and the UK’s 2nd city now.
Companies are lining up to invest in Manchester, you have skyscrapers etc all being built with private funds, companies moved skilled jobs to the city.
With your stadium, and the new Coop venue, alongside the existing arena, you have massive concerts etc being hosted in Manchester. You’re airport is massively successful and sucks up passengers from not only the North West, but the Midlands, and all the way up into Scotland.
Without being provocative, from the opinion of everyone else in the North, the money for the North by the government for the last 20 years or so has went to Manchester with ministers saying ‘Look we invested in the North’.

For all intends purposes, Manchester doesn’t need government intervention to build a few hotels, some apartment complexes, and a couple of office buildings that will make it attractive for Man Utd to build a new 100k seater fuck off stadium.
The richest clubs figures came out a few days ago and Manchester United are still one of the richest clubs not only in the country, but the world. The land they want to build on is owned by millionaires and billionaires, they have the money to kick start it if they want to. I’m going to say this last bit bluntly as well. If none of it never got built, Manchester as a city isn’t missing out. Tourists will still come to your city to watch both Man Utd and you. Large scale events will still be held in Manchester, jobs will still be created, private companies will still be lining up for available land such as around Old Trafford to build their new offices and apartment complexes.

We (Newcastle United) are about to announce what we are doing with our stadium in the next few months. Will the government be providing funding so we can build a fan park, hotels, and apartments on club land adjacent to SJP?
I doubt it.
Meanwhile half a mile away from SJP an overpass in Gateshead has been forced to close before Christmas. We don’t have the money to demolish it, the government won’t give us emergency funding, and the council has tried and failed on 2 separate occasions in recent years to gain funding from central government. This is a key route from Gateshead into Newcastle, which leads over the Tyne bridge, which is awaiting it’s final amount of money it requires to complete it’s refurbishment, 5 years after it should have been given.
Another bridge across the Tyne is going the same way as the overpass in Gateshead, and that needs funding to deal with that.
The historic High level railway bridge is going to have to be rebuilt in the next few years, there is no funding for that.
Our Metro system still needs its final allocation of funding approved so it can complete its renewal process to keep our Metro system running, 15-20 years after it should have been given. This is just in the Tyneside area, every area outside Greater Manchester, and London will have similar lists of stories.
It would be a complete shambles if Manchester gets government funding so Taylor Swift can perform a concert at Old Trafford instead of the Etihad.

I love visiting Newcastle, I think its a great looking City. I've been there not only to see City on many occasions but for gigs in the centre and around the area in general. We love places like Hexham, Vindolanda and further north like Alnwick and Bamburgh. Northumbria is a beautiful and stunning county and its a crying shame that Newcastle the centre of it is so under funded. But under14 years of the Tories it shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[JASR]

‘Organic growth’ in 5 easy steps

Sugar daddy 1 builds a stadium (iirc or vice versa)
Sugar daddy 2 build a stadium (iirc or vice versa)
Govt money to rebuild stadium (ww2)
Govt money to rebuild stadium (1966)
Govt money to build new stadium (2025)

It stinks, is complete hypocrisy, and shows the well greasing the palms in the back corridors of power continues for almost a century.

As pointed out by Newcastle fan, wtf is money being wasted on a thriving city (and a piss poor club outside of it), when there are far more deprived areas in the North.
Manchester is booming, it hardly needs more govt money, it’s self generating now.

90,000 jobs , yeah right, there’s nothing like that many near Wembley, the national stadium in a far bigger conurbation.

Do it the United way - spend other people’s money

 

[Blue2112]

Rumour doing the rounds his agent is agitating for a move to us lol(you've got to love how far they have fallen)

Thoughts?

Kin ell I clicked on page one of this thread by mistake and read the first post and thought shit surely we're not buying meals on wheels. The relief when I realised my error.

 

[freshie]

 

[foggy1974]

Where are Trafford Council and the Government going to get the money to do all this work ?
Trafford Council are considering a Green Bin Charge because they are skint. My local councillor has told me how the last Tory Council left them in serious debt.
Starmer has told everyone how they were also left skint by a Tory Government and yet both seem to be willing to spend hundreds of millions of pounds.
As I said to the Councillor. If this area needed improving, if it needed millions spent on it, why has it not been considered before ?
Further, if the rags decide to remain at the swamp and rebuild will the council and the government still spend the money.

He hasn't answered me, I wonder why.

It's easy to agree to it but like the Northern Powerhouse Rail scheme, that several governments have promised its never materialised

 

[ninjamonkey]

I know they played Thursday. It was the reschedule random later kick off time that the PL would never have allowed for any other team, especially not us that annoyed me.

Nothing to do with the PL, it's tv scheduling. TnT sports has the game. They have to play Sunday after playing Thursday, the game isn't allowed to overlap with sky sports broadcasts who had games at 2 and 4 today so it's Sunday night out of neccsity and not some strange ploy to give united a few hours extra rest even though a later kick off then results in less recovery time for their upcoming midweek game. Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

[Bluewonder]

‘Organic growth’ in 5 easy steps

Sugar daddy 1 builds a stadium (iirc or vice versa)
Sugar daddy 2 build a stadium (iirc or vice versa)
Govt money to rebuild stadium (ww2)
Govt money to rebuild stadium (1966)
Govt money to build new stadium (2025)

It stinks, is complete hypocrisy, and shows the well greasing the palms in the back corridors of power continues for almost a century.

As pointed out by Newcastle fan, wtf is money being wasted on a thriving city (and a piss poor club outside of it), when there are far more deprived areas in the North.
Manchester is booming, it hardly needs more govt money, it’s self generating now.

90,000 jobs , yeah right, there’s nothing like that many near Wembley, the national stadium in a far bigger conurbation.

Do it the United way - spend other people’s money

There's no way they'll be getting government money for the stadium. There will be a vague commitment to regenerate the surrounding areas, which the rags will use to support their pitch to potential financiers.

The stadium will be funded by debt, like everything else they do.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Pretty sure that ain’t right. By my reckoning, Leicester have got 7 points since Van Horseface took over (including today)