United Thread | 2025/26

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jaiguruKun said:
Have you noticed that every Slimey Stone article has to have at least three references to how 'big' they are?

It's like "yeah they're shit but they're a big shit."
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Quote - "At clubs like United, performances like this do not get brushed under the carpet. The noise around them is too loud for that to happen."
 
Whilst I too am bathing in the glow from the glittered trud, there is a serious deep problem here.

Apparently, you can spend lots of money, change managers, you can change players, change people in control of football - shit, you can even put a different (minority) owner in charge, but they still end up with a total f*ck up.

What else is there to change? Failure is in the walls of that place, it's in their dna now.

They have what they want - they have become us. But us from 25 years ago.
 
I want us to eviscerate them on the 14th.

The Grand Humiliation, torn asunder, leaving them broken and beaten on the side of the road.

But will we? NO! We'll do the same terrified, cautious performance, hope to win it 1-0 only to get stuffed towards the end through dodgy VAR decisions, instead of destroying them 4-0 by half time.

Once again we're going to be the catalyst to the 'start' of their season, like we keep doing and it pisses me off! I know they're crap, we all know they're crap and on paper this should be a horror show. But our tactics against these fucks recently keeps giving them a way back. Their head is on the chopping block and we're gonna swing and miss! Don't do it City!
 
Reading SadCafe and they still don't get it.

Like I ranted about on here some 6 months ago, their issue is that United from the bottom to the top doesn't understand what club they have become. They still talk about "van Gaal failing, Solskjaer failing, Ten Hag failing, Mourinho failing"

No, you lost the golden goose and your club stopped being a club that can expect titles. Accept it. Only when you accept that fact you can start to actually improve the culture within your cancerous club. Only then can you understand that you could have put your arrogance aside when you were fighting for top 4 and some FA Cups and actually accepted that this is a pretty good place to be for a club like them. But they constantly wanted to burn it all down (half-heartedly) because their imbecile gloryhynting fanbase demanded the stimulation the Ferguson years gave them. So the reward for that became false-dawn cultural resets with out of their depth amateur league managers that their fanbase basically demanded (because they had tried everything else and they "failed") that slowly developed top 6 teams into a team that for the last 2(!!!!!!) season has delivered an expected points total that would put them around 15th in the table.

It is a club that deserves all they get. I wish relegation for them, but the only problem is I think it would genuinly be good for them.

Like I posted here last season, what they genuinly need is a proper "cultural reset" from top to bottom. They need to accept that they are mid-table club and will have to build stone for stone. If Amorim get them inside the top 8 again it is a miracle. What they really need is a Moyes type of manager that can establish them in the top 6 for years again and make them a team that can compete consistently at that end of the table and then take the next step when they have achieved that. But they don't have the patience for it. Any manager that comes close to improving on the shit the last one served gets 1 additional year to get them close to a title and then the cycle repeats. Even having the PSR leeway to steal the best players from your 13th placed rivals means fuck all when you look at the squads in the real top 6 now. And the teams around them have actually accepted where they are, so are years ahead of them in preparing for that kind of situation. It is kind of poetic though that Moyes was totally the wrong manager 11 years ago but now he is the right one. They don't understand the severity of their fall. They pretend they do, but they don't
 
Here's the thing.
I genuinely think that United are entering into a phase that could last for years, and even decades. Oh, they'll pick up the odd League Cup here and there (but not this season, haha…), maybe even an F.A. Cup, but they won't get near being PL champions, I believe, and we won't even talk about the CL.
When a cartload of money flowed into the game — that was the whole point of the PL — and when the concept of worldwide marketing of a football club “brand” got going, in the early nineties, they were the chief beneficiaries. They also had, exceptionally, a good crop of youth players come through at the same time — let's admit that, although they were probably made to look better than they were — and an authoritarian manager (tough love father-figure type in the mould of a much earlier model, going back to the fifties and sixties, Nicholson, Shankly et al.) who suited that crop of youngsters perfectly, and who was, I believe, the last of that kind that we'll see, because the game is very different now. They didn't actually have a lot of competition. Yes, Arsenal emerged from 1996 onwards when Wenger arrived, and then in 2003 when Abramovich bought Chelsea, and above all brought in Mourinho the following year, Chelsea sort of took over Arsenal's role.
Arsenal and Chelsea are still around as big guns, there's us — we're not going anywhere, whatever blips there may be on the way, and yes that will continue after Pep, I believe, the structure is just too solidly in place, and it's been exceptionally well planned — Liverpool's fortunes have revived in a big way, and there's a bunch of clubs just behind, knocking on the door of top six, maybe even top four.
As for Manchester and Greater Manchester, which includes Trafford Park, the power structure has been reversed, and I believe for a long, long time to come. Sure, they'll beat us at their gaff from time to time, even at the Etihad. As we did from time to time — people forget that — even in our darkest years. It was occasionally our “consolation match”, as it is now theirs.
There is a new order in football, and there has been these last twelve years or so. The media can yack its mantra on and on (and the people yacking are very often former United players, of course). They are not part of it.
 
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