United Want To Match And Better City's Youth / CFA Academy

[moomba]

Personally I think we're compromising results by not playing kids. MP whinged about our players being tired the other week. Theres a pretty obvious solution there.

And players have started leaving because they don't see a way through at the club. What we don't know is how many don't even arrive because other clubs see the making an effort to bring players through is worthwhile.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Sorry, I don't get to see any of the EDS or Academy games, but can somebody give me some examples of Academy players who probably should have gotten sub time but have been passed over? I talk to a Kurdish friend of mine who's a Galatasaray fan and he raves about Denayer.... like says he could be better than Kompany..... but who legetimately is good enough?

Denayer, Maffeo, Angelino (but not at fullback yet imo) Byrne, Bryan, Barker, Ambrose & Boadu when fully fit, Evans, Gunn, Roberts, possibly Celina & Garcia. Oh Gunn, Lawler. Probably forgotton a few more. Oh Lopes of course for a start.

I would have no idea which would sink or swim, because none of those bar the two signings, Roberts & Garcia, have been given any time whatsoever. So we are starting from scratch with every single one of them, even though they have been somewhere close for a year or more.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm not complaining about anything when it comes to the kids. I'd personally have loved to see Kelechi have been given more game time or to have seen MP throw Maffeo in when Sagna was playing too many games. But ultimately he didn't. I'm actually closer to the side of the argument that says i'd compromise results to give some of the kids a chance. Was just pointing out that whilst MP is shouldering most of the criticism, we are the kind of club where if the owners genuinely wanted to see kids be given a chance this season Txiki and Khaldoon would've let Pellegrini know. I don't think they have because I think they are looking at the situation long term.

Also we should talk about academy products leaving to find first team football when it actually happens. I've been reading for a year on Bluemoon that we're going to lose our best kids. Yet the opposite is happening, we're still recruiting the best (ala Roberts).

He was letting Pellegrini & the fans know the opposite of what you are suggesting.

He had no need to mention kids at all. He is telling people who are interested, that the club intends to build a core of home grown players, he is then assuring all the people who are scared to death, that we won't compromise the team by doing it. Yopu have, imo, totally misread the meaning of his comments.

 

[BillyShears]

Personally I think we're compromising results by not playing kids. MP whinged about our players being tired the other week. Theres a pretty obvious solution there.

And players have started leaving because they don't see a way through at the club. What we don't know is how many don't even arrive because other clubs see the making an effort to bring players through is worthwhile.

As of now I don't think we've compromised any results by not playing kids. It's also a pretty unprovable comment to make as we have no idea how a youth player will acquit themselves for example away at Stoke in the conditions we played in.

If any player does leave because they don't see a way through at City then they're not good enough to be at City. Of that I'm fairly confident. Last summer lots of people cried that Marcos Lopes was being sold. Where is he now and how has his season been? Would he have acquitted himself better than the players we have in his position? Will he go on to prove to the football world that he was good enough to deputise for Silva the way that KDB or Sterling can? The answer to all those questions seems pretty obvious at present.

 

[Neville Kneville]

As of now I don't think we've compromised any results by not playing kids. It's also a pretty unprovable comment to make as we have no idea who a youth player will acquit themselves for example away at Stoke in the conditions we played in.

If any player does leave because they don't see a way through at City then they're not good enough to be at City. Of that I'm fairly confident. Last summer lots of people cried that Marcos Lopes has been sold. Where is he now and how has his season been? Would he have acquitted himself better than the players we have in his position?

We will never know, as it doesn't follow in football that a kid succeeds everywhere he goes, straight away. He might have been shite, he might have won us a game we lost, coming from the bench, as he can shoot & score goals.

But feel free to ignore this perfectly reasonable response along with all the others.

 

[yankcitizen76]

Denayer, Maffeo, Angelino (but not at fullback yet imo) Byrne, Bryan, Barker, Ambrose & Boadu when fully fit, Evans, Gunn, Roberts, possibly Celina & Garcia. Oh Gunn, Lawler. Probably forgotton a few more. Oh Lopes of course for a start.

I would have no idea which would sink or swim, because none of those bar the two signings, Roberts & Garcia, have been given any time whatsoever. So we are starting from scratch with every single one of them, even though they have been somewhere close for a year or more.

That's jaw - dropping. I had no Idea there was that big a cross section of talent.

 

[Cobra]

The two most frustrating things when it comes to youth players for me are that,

1) They're not allowed to play badly, or even just have a quiet game. If Barker or Maffeo started against Sunderland and had a poor game, not only would people on Bluemoon be apopleptic about how crap they were, but Pellegrini would probably demote them back to the EDS never to be seen again. Yet in the past couple of years alone pretty much everyone of our senior players (barring Silva) have put in numerous terrible performances. Our own captain has a very poor 14/15 season for example, and I've lost count of how many bad matches the likes of Navas, Mangala and Fernando have had. I even remember people slating Barker based on that 45 minutes he played in the January friendly against Hamburg ffs!

2) The idea that we have to be 4-0 up against relegation fodder to ever give a young player a chance. Why can’t we trust a young player to come on in a match that was 1-1? People were defending the Demichelis substitution vs Hull by saying that he was actually getting ready to come on when it was still 1-0. But why do we need a 35 year old defender to come on and shore up the midfield up against a Championship team? Could Kean Bryan not have come on and done the exact same job? There was a perfect recent example of this during the Arsenal vs Spurs match at the Emirates this season – with a few minutes left and the score at 1-1 Pochettino bought on an 18 year old to play in midfield. And guess what – the match finished 1-1. The kid didn’t come on and immediately score an own goal, give away a penalty and get sent off.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

As of now I don't think we've compromised any results by not playing kids. It's also a pretty unprovable comment to make as we have no idea how a youth player will acquit themselves for example away at Stoke in the conditions we played in.

If any player does leave because they don't see a way through at City then they're not good enough to be at City. Of that I'm fairly confident. Last summer lots of people cried that Marcos Lopes was being sold. Where is he now and how has his season been? Would he have acquitted himself better than the players we have in his position? Will he go on to prove to the football world that he was good enough to deputise for Silva the way that KDB or Sterling can? The answer to all those questions seems pretty obvious at present.

We've got a track record of harming the prospects of highly promising attacking midfielders like Lopes and Pozo. We might needn't specialist coach in this area. There are no guarantees that youngster will make and keep a place in the first team but there are too many talents falling by the way side for it to be bad luck!

 

[mcfclee2012]

Not sure we actually harmed Lopes too much. We sold him for £9M to Monaco.

 

[twosips]

So you believe that none of our kids are good enough to come off the bench from time to time without 'compromising' the team but Scott Sinclair was ?

Such a shame when logical posts like this are ignored. There is no come back to that at all. If we can give this utter crock of shite a runout we can give Barker or Ambrose etc, both vastly more naturally talented players, a go. There's about twenty id have over Sinclair in terms of intelligence, natural ability and technical prowess. Pretty much all of them are stronger too.