Unreacted Explosives Found in WTC Dust

Well I have looked deeper. I've read Dr Steven Jones' paper, I've read a lot of the criticisms of its findings, I've read the rebuttals by Jones and other GENUINE physics professors that concur with his findings, I've read direct discussions between Jones and Professor Ola Nilsen on the matter of why the red/grey chips within the samples cannot possibly be paint, as Nilsen claims, along with discussions concerning the thermal properties and reactions Jones and his colleagues claim to have observed when testing the dust particles, ALL of which, are consistent with a nanothermite reaction, a very expensive, explosive compound, which is classified top-secret and only utilised by military agencies, and is certainly beyond the means of a bunch of rag-tag rebels living in a cave in Afghanistan.

Have you? Because if you have I find it difficult to understand how you can infer that there are no legitimate questions to answer here. Especially when you add this to the wider evidence surrounding the nature of the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7; explosions both seen, heard and felt at various levels of 1, and 2 including sub basements; the fact that they all fell at free-fall speed; the fact that molten metal was observed beneath the rubble for weeks after, via thermal photography, the presence of which was also attested to by members of the works crew that worked at the site in the aftermath.

And to suggest that this research be dismissed simply on the grounds that you can find it at Bentham Open Access with no consideration as to who actually published it, a retired Professor of physics known to specialise in catalysed fusion and archaeometry, is absurd frankly! You then go on to infer that because Jones' paper is published here, there's a question mark over the author's authenticity, which given the fact that it's been circulated and discussed in very serious quarters by serious experts with regards to thermal fusion physics, is even more absurd.

Evidence of both detonated and un-detonated nanothermite particles HAVE been found in dust collected from the site within days of the collapse, and yeah Bomber, some of the residents DID go around collecting some of the dust. Exactly why they did that I don't know, but they did, so there we are. And it's good that they did because it's important forensic evidence This is especially important when you consider just how much forensic evidence was spirited away from the crime scene, which in itself is a CRIME btw, by the mayor of New York in the days after the collapse.

Chicago Blue:

I'm sorry that your mate was a pilot on one of the planes that hit the towers that day. I feel very deeply for the all the victims, their families and their friends. it's true there's a massive amount of Bollocks and BS bandied around as 9/11 truth. That the planes were flown deliberately into the Towers is beyond dispute, but there are some very legitimate questions around how and why these buildings collapsed, especially WTC 7, which was never hit by a plane. We're told by a US government enquiry that fire was the cause, despite the fact that is has never happened before in the history of skyscraper construction, along with a body of evidence that seems to suggest otherwise. With respect, to not seek the truth of this via an INDEPENDENT enquiry is in my view disrespectful to everyone affected by it. If I'd lost someone in the tragedy I'd want these questions examined independently and answered to my satisfaction, because until they are, there won't be any closure, and sweeping it all under the carpet for the sake of controversy or misplaced notions of patriotism is unacceptable. Fortunately a great many other people feel the same way.

CTID
 
ElanJo said:
I haven't read the paper yet, but if the findings are correct and they go onto be verified by the scientific community then.... well, can you imagine the consequences?

It won't, there's too much at stake. If it was proven true, it'd make the Kennedy Assassination seem like a shop-lifting offence.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
As someone who knew one of the pilots killed in the 9/11 attacks, Might I suggest you all let sleeping dogs lie?

If ANYONE thinks there was a conspiracy led by the USA, then I think they are sorely mistaken. I know FOR A FACT that the pilot I knew was a patriot and a military man. I doubt very much he allowed his throat to be slit and his children to be fatherless as part of some conspiracy.

Thankfully, I was not flying that day, but for the FOUR flight crews that were and lost their lives at the actual hands of these murdering thugs, along with thousands of others, I would greatly respect it if you did not "play" with the facts of what happened.

An atrocious murderous plot, designed to kill thousands of people and directed at the world's financial center, was hatched in caves in Afghanistan and carried out by people who were, for all intents and purposes, "normalized members of a multicultural society" living under cover. These men learned enough to subvert US airport security procedures (because before this incident, people thought they needed to BRING a weapon to the aircraft, not USE THE AIRCRAFT as a weapon) and to fly aircraft into buildings. They were successful beyond their wildest dreams, although they could not get the Shanksville plane back to Washington because the passengers took matters into their own hands, so the US Congress Building is still standing.

What happened that day that will forever change world history, as it led (rightly or wrongly) to war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the raising of Al Qaeda to global prominence. The reverberations will, of course, be felt by our children and possibly our children's children. However, to suggest that somehow there is a conspiracy of silence or hidden facts behind this is absurd.

Now, go back to slamming Ronaldo and wishing Tevez was coming and commenting on whether the new Umbro kits are really Puma and trying to find out what is up with MJ?!

I feel sorry for your loss, but a good democracy is based upon people questioning the official government line. I know that this is a sore subject for many Americans, and the theories have been regurgitated to death, but every society must work against it's own government, thus keeping it honest.
 
ManCityX said:
No one here mentioned a 'conspiracy'. Simply just FACTS that explosions took place within the foundations of the WTC, witnessed by someone who was actually there.

problem is, your definition of FACTS is shaky. as for being witnessed by people who were actually there, i lived 2.25 miles from the WTC at the time. at the time i was asleep so i saw nothing... however, i expect it's a safe bet that i know a LOT more eyewitnesses than you. including people who lived directly across the street at Battery Park City, and watched the towers collapse from their roof. including firemen. including firemen who lost most of their company when the building collapsed. i have yet to meet even ONE eyewitness who believes this nonsense.

you need to get a grip on what a fact IS. i'll help by telling you what it is NOT. it is not some smoke and mirrors bullshit contrived to support conspiracy mongs' wet dreams and then published in a vanity press fake journal! i'd be persuadable if you had "simply just FACTS" but the problem is you've got nothing but conspiracy wank. and you insist these fabrications count as FACTS because for some strange reason you want them to be true. maybe it makes you an ITK in some weird way, i don't know.

when your "proof" is published in an ACTUAL scientific journal then i'm much more inclined to believe it. but tell me this: if these guys are lying about publishing in a peer reviewed journal (and they are) then why should i believe ANYTHING they say?
 
mcfcbird said:
ElanJo said:
I haven't read the paper yet, but if the findings are correct and they go onto be verified by the scientific community then.... well, can you imagine the consequences?

It won't, there's too much at stake. If it was proven true, it'd make the Kennedy Assassination seem like a shop-lifting offence.

ah. glad we've cleared up why no peer-reviewed scientific journal on the entire planet publshed the paper. it probably also goes a long way toward explaining why the authors lied about it being published in a peer-reviewed journal. sorted. well done, Clouseau, well done.
 
Damocles said:
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I feel sorry for your loss, but a good democracy is based upon people questioning the official government line. I know that this is a sore subject for many Americans, and the theories have been regurgitated to death, but every society must work against it's own government, thus keeping it honest.

but a good democracy somehow gives people who lie about publishing in peer-reviewed journals a free pass? they must be telling the truth, otherwise they wouldn't have to lie? hmmmmmm.
 
zeusbheld said:
mcfcbird said:
ElanJo said:
I haven't read the paper yet, but if the findings are correct and they go onto be verified by the scientific community then.... well, can you imagine the consequences?

. it probably also goes a long way toward explaining why the authors lied about it being published in a peer-reviewed journal. sorted. well done, Clouseau, well done.


Okay, show me the evidence that Dr. Jones is a liar regarding where he's published his work and I'll look at it. And there are PLENTY of witnesses who heard the expolosions at sub level, it was even evident on seismic readings from at a monitoring station, others attest to multiple explosions on other levels, and the entire lobby of WTC 2 was completely blown out. Do you honestly believe the WTC 7 came down solely due to FIRE? No impacts, just flaming debris from the other buildings? You believe that?

And just because you live around the corner doesn't mean you know any more than anyone else does about exactly what happened that day.

You know I'm wondering why, seeing as your so outraged by any suggestion that agents unknown might have had a hand in bringing the towers down, you seem to opposed to an INDEPENDENT enquiry, you know, as opposed to a government whitewash by a government who allocated the lowest funding for any official investigation EVER, for what is quite literally the crime of the century. A crime that has caused the deaths of hundred of thousands of people.

Families of survivors of this crime are demanding it, because they don't feel they've received a fair shake, they want proper closure, they want to be sure that no one else other than the alleged hijackers, had a hand in the murder of their loved ones. I for one think they should get it, especially when I read something like Dr Jones' paper. And again, you're obsessing about where it was published, but saying sweet FA about what the paper is actually saying.

If you think Jones' findings are BS, fair enough, but show us why it's BS, rather than just come on saying it's a wankfest or whatever and I know because I live down the road...
 
mcfcbird said:
. A crime that has caused the deaths of hundred of thousands of people.

I thought it was fewer than ten thousand that died.

Anyway, I think that whatever happened that day and the days leading up to it will never be truly known or accepted by the wider public. The US Government and the forces that control it are not stupid. They can easily discredit anyone saying something they don't like sufficiently enough to have the general public branding them 'conspiracy crackpots'.

There is no chance of a truly independent inquiry ever happening. It would probably be hindered by government obstruction and interference. I am convinced that someone in power in the US (possibly higher than the government) at the very least knew something was going to happen but didn't do anything to stop it. There is something very dodgy about the whole thing but I don't think people will ever have the power to reveal the truth. For that reason, and it is a very defeatist attitude, I think people should let sleeping dogs lie.
 
sadly this rubbish was aired some years ago in the usa, its not new, one thing is for sure 2 planes full of jet fuel smashed into those towers, as with everything in the usa there s always someone with a theory
 

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