Mantel said:Yeah, maybe someone who speaks dutch knows someone who speaks danish.sam the drummer said:It seems abit OTT for me, also can anyone else speak Dutch the subtitles could be completely different to what they are talking about
mcfcbird said:Well I have looked deeper. I've read Dr Steven Jones' paper, I've read a lot of the criticisms of its findings, I've read the rebuttals by Jones and other GENUINE physics professors that concur with his findings, I've read direct discussions between Jones and Professor Ola Nilsen on the matter of why the red/grey chips within the samples cannot possibly be paint, as Nilsen claims, along with discussions concerning the thermal properties and reactions Jones and his colleagues claim to have observed when testing the dust particles, ALL of which, are consistent with a nanothermite reaction, a very expensive, explosive compound, which is classified top-secret and only utilised by military agencies, and is certainly beyond the means of a bunch of rag-tag rebels living in a cave in Afghanistan.
Have you? Because if you have I find it difficult to understand how you can infer that there are no legitimate questions to answer here. Especially when you add this to the wider evidence surrounding the nature of the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7; explosions both seen, heard and felt at various levels of 1, and 2 including sub basements; the fact that they all fell at free-fall speed; the fact that molten metal was observed beneath the rubble for weeks after, via thermal photography, the presence of which was also attested to by members of the works crew that worked at the site in the aftermath.
And to suggest that this research be dismissed simply on the grounds that you can find it at Bentham Open Access with no consideration as to who actually published it, a retired Professor of physics known to specialise in catalysed fusion and archaeometry, is absurd frankly! You then go on to infer that because Jones' paper is published here, there's a question mark over the author's authenticity, which given the fact that it's been circulated and discussed in very serious quarters by serious experts with regards to thermal fusion physics, is even more absurd.
Evidence of both detonated and un-detonated nanothermite particles HAVE been found in dust collected from the site within days of the collapse, and yeah Bomber, some of the residents DID go around collecting some of the dust. Exactly why they did that I don't know, but they did, so there we are. And it's good that they did because it's important forensic evidence This is especially important when you consider just how much forensic evidence was spirited away from the crime scene, which in itself is a CRIME btw, by the mayor of New York in the days after the collapse.
Chicago Blue:
I'm sorry that your mate was a pilot on one of the planes that hit the towers that day. I feel very deeply for the all the victims, their families and their friends. it's true there's a massive amount of Bollocks and BS bandied around as 9/11 truth. That the planes were flown deliberately into the Towers is beyond dispute, but there are some very legitimate questions around how and why these buildings collapsed, especially WTC 7, which was never hit by a plane. We're told by a US government enquiry that fire was the cause, despite the fact that is has never happened before in the history of skyscraper construction, along with a body of evidence that seems to suggest otherwise. With respect, to not seek the truth of this via an INDEPENDENT enquiry is in my view disrespectful to everyone affected by it. If I'd lost someone in the tragedy I'd want these questions examined independently and answered to my satisfaction, because until they are, there won't be any closure, and sweeping it all under the carpet for the sake of controversy or misplaced notions of patriotism is unacceptable. Fortunately a great many other people feel the same way.
CTID
OK, So you have read the papers that concurr with your thoughts but to give a balanced view point did you also read in detail the papers/findings that dont agree with your views?mcfcbird said:Well I have looked deeper. I've read Dr Steven Jones' paper, I've read a lot of the criticisms of its findings, I've read the rebuttals by Jones and other GENUINE physics professors that concur with his findings, I've read direct discussions between Jones and Professor Ola Nilsen on the matter of why the red/grey chips within the samples cannot possibly be paint, as Nilsen claims, along with discussions concerning the thermal properties and reactions Jones and his colleagues claim to have observed when testing the dust particles, ALL of which, are consistent with a nanothermite reaction, a very expensive, explosive compound, which is classified top-secret and only utilised by military agencies, and is certainly beyond the means of a bunch of rag-tag rebels living in a cave in Afghanistan.
Have you? Because if you have I find it difficult to understand how you can infer that there are no legitimate questions to answer here. Especially when you add this to the wider evidence surrounding the nature of the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7; explosions both seen, heard and felt at various levels of 1, and 2 including sub basements; the fact that they all fell at free-fall speed; the fact that molten metal was observed beneath the rubble for weeks after, via thermal photography, the presence of which was also attested to by members of the works crew that worked at the site in the aftermath.
And to suggest that this research be dismissed simply on the grounds that you can find it at Bentham Open Access with no consideration as to who actually published it, a retired Professor of physics known to specialise in catalysed fusion and archaeometry, is absurd frankly! You then go on to infer that because Jones' paper is published here, there's a question mark over the author's authenticity, which given the fact that it's been circulated and discussed in very serious quarters by serious experts with regards to thermal fusion physics, is even more absurd.
Evidence of both detonated and un-detonated nanothermite particles HAVE been found in dust collected from the site within days of the collapse, and yeah Bomber, some of the residents DID go around collecting some of the dust. Exactly why they did that I don't know, but they did, so there we are. And it's good that they did because it's important forensic evidence This is especially important when you consider just how much forensic evidence was spirited away from the crime scene, which in itself is a CRIME btw, by the mayor of New York in the days after the collapse.
Chicago Blue:
I'm sorry that your mate was a pilot on one of the planes that hit the towers that day. I feel very deeply for the all the victims, their families and their friends. it's true there's a massive amount of Bollocks and BS bandied around as 9/11 truth. That the planes were flown deliberately into the Towers is beyond dispute, but there are some very legitimate questions around how and why these buildings collapsed, especially WTC 7, which was never hit by a plane. We're told by a US government enquiry that fire was the cause, despite the fact that is has never happened before in the history of skyscraper construction, along with a body of evidence that seems to suggest otherwise. With respect, to not seek the truth of this via an INDEPENDENT enquiry is in my view disrespectful to everyone affected by it. If I'd lost someone in the tragedy I'd want these questions examined independently and answered to my satisfaction, because until they are, there won't be any closure, and sweeping it all under the carpet for the sake of controversy or misplaced notions of patriotism is unacceptable. Fortunately a great many other people feel the same way.
CTID
mcfcbird said:ElanJo said:I haven't read the paper yet, but if the findings are correct and they go onto be verified by the scientific community then.... well, can you imagine the consequences?
It won't, there's too much at stake. If it was proven true, it'd make the Kennedy Assassination seem like a shop-lifting offence.
GStar said:What you describe is second hand information, a lot of which can, and probably has be manipulated to suit a certain agenda and in a lot of cases is likely to be inaccurate. ChiagoBlue has something you don't have, and thats Primary Information of knowing one of the actual pilots. So how you can claim to have looked deeper is absurd.
Damocles said:ChicagoBlue said:As someone who knew one of the pilots killed in the 9/11 attacks, Might I suggest you all let sleeping dogs lie?
If ANYONE thinks there was a conspiracy led by the USA, then I think they are sorely mistaken. I know FOR A FACT that the pilot I knew was a patriot and a military man. I doubt very much he allowed his throat to be slit and his children to be fatherless as part of some conspiracy.
Thankfully, I was not flying that day, but for the FOUR flight crews that were and lost their lives at the actual hands of these murdering thugs, along with thousands of others, I would greatly respect it if you did not "play" with the facts of what happened.
An atrocious murderous plot, designed to kill thousands of people and directed at the world's financial center, was hatched in caves in Afghanistan and carried out by people who were, for all intents and purposes, "normalized members of a multicultural society" living under cover. These men learned enough to subvert US airport security procedures (because before this incident, people thought they needed to BRING a weapon to the aircraft, not USE THE AIRCRAFT as a weapon) and to fly aircraft into buildings. They were successful beyond their wildest dreams, although they could not get the Shanksville plane back to Washington because the passengers took matters into their own hands, so the US Congress Building is still standing.
What happened that day that will forever change world history, as it led (rightly or wrongly) to war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the raising of Al Qaeda to global prominence. The reverberations will, of course, be felt by our children and possibly our children's children. However, to suggest that somehow there is a conspiracy of silence or hidden facts behind this is absurd.
Now, go back to slamming Ronaldo and wishing Tevez was coming and commenting on whether the new Umbro kits are really Puma and trying to find out what is up with MJ?!
I feel sorry for your loss, but a good democracy is based upon people questioning the official government line. I know that this is a sore subject for many Americans, and the theories have been regurgitated to death, but every society must work against it's own government, thus keeping it honest.
Mantel said:what a dick.... !1denislawsbackheel said:yeah, and Elvis lit the fuse!
Blue Train said:Anyone remotely seduced by 9/11 conspiracy theories needs to read this, especially the hilarious page 2.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...st_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies