Urawa Red Diamonds (N) | CWC Semi-Final | Pre-Match Thread

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KPXBLN said:
I'm not one to suck up to the hurt feelings of Americans, but these are completely different things. To pick the most recent example, the entire German leadership either killed themselves or were put on trial and the country was occupied for years afterwards. Saudi Arabia has never experienced a fraction of that accountability. (But I have different reasons for not being interested in this joke tournament.)
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The difference being, that Nazi-German leadership that faced accountability was the leadership that carried out the atrocities…

Even then, not sure how much accountability those individuals subsequently hired by all levels of the US government in the immediate aftermath of the war faced.

Saudi Arabia didn’t “do 9/11”. Al-Qaeda, a terrorist organisation did.

If similar accountability is to take place, it must be Al-Qaeda that faces it. Might have to think of something other than the death penalty though, they’re into that kinda thing.
 
This thread has taken a weird fucking turn

For what its worth, 3/4 bombers on 7July were british born so by the same logic the UK attacked the UK.

Extremists are extremists
Terrorists are terrorists
Countries are countries

Some countries are cleaner than others but every one has a fucking closet full of skeletons the longer you look

Can we look forward to city at the club world cup?
 
HelloCity said:
Most of the people involved were from Saudi Arabia.
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So? That doesn’t make Saudi Arabia responsible for those people’s actions.

The state didn’t carry it out, the civilian population didn’t carry it out, members of Al-Qaeda carried it out.

Shall we put every single American on trial for storming of the capitol? Or for bombing Iraq and Libya into the ground? How about dousing Vietnam in agent orange? Shall we put the entire Western hemisphere on trial for enslavement of Africans?

Or maybe it’s just the people who did it that were responsible, and not everyone who shares an ethnicity with some of them.
 
paska said:
So? That doesn’t make Saudi Arabia responsible for those people’s actions.

The state didn’t carry it out, the civilian population didn’t carry it out, members of Al-Qaeda carried it out.

Shall we put every single American on trial for storming of the capitol? Or for bombing Iraq and Libya into the ground? How about dousing Vietnam in agent orange? Shall we put the entire Western hemisphere on trial for enslavement of Africans?

Or maybe it’s just the people who did it that were responsible, and not everyone who shares an ethnicity with some of them.
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Saudi Arabia paid out on it didn’t they? Sure I saw a report that it was likely the government there would have had knowledge of it but failed to act. I could see why families would hold a grudge against them if so.
 
JGL07 said:
On that count the Brigada Rossa were Italian, the Bader-Meinhof gang were German, the Unabomber was American, and the Angry Brigade British.
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Half the Royal Family spent their holidays with Adolf and co.
 
Woody135 said:
This thread has taken a weird fucking turn

For what its worth, 3/4 bombers on 7July were british born so by the same logic the UK attacked the UK.

Extremists are extremists
Terrorists are terrorists
Countries are countries

Some countries are cleaner than others but every one has a fucking closet full of skeletons the longer you look

Can we look forward to city at the club world cup?
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That’s why I’ve always advocated the UK nuking itself
 
broadwayblue said:
As a New Yorker who was directly affected by the September 11th attacks, the fact that Saudi Arabia is hosting the Club World Cup puts a stain on the entire event for me.
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Hahaha u think Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11!? George Bush probably knows more about it...
How do you think almost every other country in the world feels about the USA!?
Im offended any time I see your flag.
 
bennyboy said:
Long flights may play a part.
Players are not robots.
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No but long flights are nothing new they do it every international break. Chelsea and Liverpool have been through it in the last couple of years and only missed one league game.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I want to win it, was merely responding to a post that Saudi had no dabs on 9/11.
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I know mate, you can't deny their links - it's out there for people to read about.

My response was merely about politics generally. There's corruption at the core of everything and it's better to separate them. Otherwise, like I said, you live in this Guardian writer's world. Although they only seem to be concerned with the middle east of course. Considering the business we do with the middle east as a country on arms and otherwise, it seems completely hypocritical to judge or condemn sports teams when we don't scrutinise political activities.

Football, like everything else, will follow the money.
 
SSL2 said:
thanks - I am probably going to fly to dubai first have 4/5 nights there and then fly to saudi for the games.

dubai seems to be alot more relaxed/accomadating of the western lifestyle.
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Dubai is good but will probably be pricey at that time of year. Flights between Riyadh and Dubai are regular and relatively cheap.

Abu dhabi will have cheaper digs (and beer) but flight options not as good.
 
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