US & Israel attack Iran

There’s nothing coherent going on at the top of US government now, the **** has just said he’s glad Mueller has died, saying “good”.
Am aware, and would have expected that response. He is full of hate. He is the very worst of us.

Never a good idea to elect someone, anyone, so manifestly out for revenge and consumed by it.

They don’t make wise, rational or stable rulers.
 
I think it worth mentioning as we seem to be discussing hatred of Jews that by far the biggest menace to their wellbeing historically have been Europeans both of the Nazi variety as well as going back further members of the Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox churches and their publics.
 
I think it worth mentioning as we seem to be discussing hatred of Jews that by far the biggest menace to their wellbeing historically have been Europeans both of the Nazi variety as well as going back further members of the Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox churches and their publics.
That is absolutely correct. Your previous post wasn’t.
 
I think it worth mentioning as we seem to be discussing hatred of Jews that by far the biggest menace to their wellbeing historically have been Europeans both of the Nazi variety as well as going back further members of the Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox churches and their publics.
I know quite a bit about this from a UK perspective. From the time of William the Conqueror Jews were given a hard time at various junctures up to, I reckon the 19th century since when they’ve been treated pretty well I’d say, although I’ve got Jewish friends who would disagree with that.

Edward I was an absolute **** to them, and the way they were treated at Richard the Lionheart’s coronation was appalling.

This pattern was replicated all over Europe.

It’s why I always cut Israel more slack then they probably deserved (although I also recognise the fact that Europe displaced their guilt, and the problem, but we are where we are).

It’s absolutely disgusting how these fellow humans were treated. But evil clearly begets evil. And the abused have turned into the abuser.
 
That isn't literally true. The 1945 Labour government spent vast sums of money (and more importantly, foreign exchange) in a vain attempt to pretend that we were still a first-rate power. This is why conscription continued until 1960, even though the young men deployed would have been better used in industry, which was desperately short of labour. (One reason for high levels of immigration, by the way.)

We even stepped up our expenditure because the Yanks wanted us in Korea, and then pressured us to rearm. For years, we maintained expensive garrisons in sundry dusty outposts and colonies, to no obvious advantage for the people of the UK.

It was much later that we started on cutbacks, first because it dawned on us that the Empire was gone, later because of the fall of the USSR.

Modern defence equipment is outrageously expensive, and we spend a disproportionate amount on nuclear bombs - the equivalent of a bee's sting, only to be used once and fatal to the bee if used. National defence relies on partnership with allies. Fortunately, the European ones are reliable.
Er... most of that was under the Tories.
 
Iranian missiles appear to have penetrated Israel tonight, making further mockery of Trump’s claims that they had meaningfully ’degraded’ the threat. Utter shambles.

It was near the Israeli nuclear facility in retaliation for Israeli strikes doing the same. As I posted earlier Trump has no control of anything now and the Iron Dome is really a torn net curtain now - will Netanyahu be visiting the site tomorrow or just his AI avatar be making the trip because he is off on a 50 mile jaunt for a coffee
 
It was near the Israeli nuclear facility in retaliation for Israeli strikes doing the same. As I posted earlier Trump has no control of anything now and the Iron Dome is really a torn net curtain now - will Netanyahu be visiting the site tomorrow or just his AI avatar be making the trip because he is off on a 50 mile jaunt for a coffee
Two places hit in what is worryingly looking like the highest-stakes game of chicken. Little point squabbling over the rights of one country to possess nuclear weapons when all parties are showing their ability and willingness to strike near nuclear facilities.
 
By the by just realised I posted that an Iranian missile hit a town where Israeli nukes are developed/stored - silly of me because as we know they don't have over 90 warheads hence they don't see the need to sign the non-proliferation deal.

By the way - Google the Samson Doctrine - you'll see London faces a strike (amongst other cities) if they are about to lose it all.
 
And yet it's Israel that are committing a genocide against Muslims. Probably best not to spout non-factual bollocks about ideological terrorist states having their way.
Mostly Muslims who want the extinction of Isreal for sure. Hamas attacked Israel - why do you think they did that I wonder?
 
Fact my arse. You really need to stop believing all the media bullshit. There are 10,000 Jews who live in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Yes that Iran. The reality is moslems are actually very respectful of other faiths including Christians and Jews, which is more than can be said for secular right wingers in the west who never stop bleating on in the fashion you do.

I grant there are extremists who would kill Jews given half a chance, but I would describe the US and Israel as extremists who are very happy to kill moslems, usually from a great height.
Bless. The life of those 10,000 is hell. And it used to be a hell of a lot more than 10,000. What do you think happened? Do you think they died or escaped? Then there are Christians and Zoroastrians - why do you think there are so many less than there are now. Either they're dead or they got out?
Then you have the repression of women. Women who acuse Shia zealots of rape normally get executed for being immoral!


It's called repression.
Sweetness and light the Iranian regieme are not.People need to get real.
 
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Fact my arse. You really need to stop believing all the media bullshit. There are 10,000 Jews who live in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Yes that Iran. The reality is moslems are actually very respectful of other faiths including Christians and Jews, which is more than can be said for secular right wingers in the west who never stop bleating on in the fashion you do.

I grant there are extremists who would kill Jews given half a chance, but I would describe the US and Israel as extremists who are very happy to kill moslems, usually from a great height.
There might be 10,000 now but there were 80,000 prior to the 1979 revolution. The 90% who left didn’t leave for no reason.
 
Fact my arse. You really need to stop believing all the media bullshit. There are 10,000 Jews who live in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Yes that Iran. The reality is moslems are actually very respectful of other faiths including Christians and Jews, which is more than can be said for secular right wingers in the west who never stop bleating on in the fashion you do.

I grant there are extremists who would kill Jews given half a chance, but I would describe the US and Israel as extremists who are very happy to kill moslems, usually from a great height.
I don’t know what’s worse. The idea that you actually believe this, or that some actually like the fact you that believe it.
 

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