US & Israel attack Iran

Johnny Mars Bar said:
I’d rather deal with the Iranians and the Chinese than the yanks these days.

Russia can go and perma-fuck themselves though.

Hopefully Starmer and Macron can achieve something.

Even if they do they won’t get any credit for it, such is the world we live in.
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Would we really rather deal with a regime that is today sending attack drones and other arms to fight Ukraine and kill Ukraininans on European soil?

I have said this many times but I would have no problem with Iran or even North Korea if they chose to behave but the fact is they don't behave. Iran right now is an aggressor towards us because it chooses active aggressively against us. It's therefore very difficult to see how we can ever easily work with them.

We have to remember that the US is doing none of this, they are just difficult. The US just has an extremely difficult administration but that administration will be effectively nullified by the end of the year. When would the Iranian regime had been nullified except for the bombs that have been landing on their heads recently?
 
Blue Mist said:
Just who are the mugs ?
Us. (ie the rest of the world)

China and Russia can load oil from anywhere in the world and deliver to anyone they want to in the world and trump will do nothing.
The rest of the world can go fuck themselves.

I read that Iran is now talking to European leaders, we should all engage with them, form an alliance and fuck trump off.
I would certainly think about a European coalition buying oil from Mexico and sending it to Cuba.
He would probably be stupid enough to seize it and let the shit hit the fan.
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A few months ago Europe tried to re kindle the the Euro card, and they have an amalgamation of this running in most countries, the peado king of America used visa debit and access cards to blackmail Britain into using Cyprus. I am a believer that we are out of Europe, but we will never leave, so Britain should join this endeavour to save ourselves billions. France recently sold it`s worthless paper dollars back to America for gold, China and America`s biggest owners of American debt, Japan, are also selling back to America, Britain also has billions in worthless paper dollars, thank you mr Blair. France is also getting rid of American/Israeli tech, by bringing in Linux, they are going to bring it in gradually, but it will also save them billions and millions of jobs, Britain should follow suit.
This middle east war is a cover for Americas failing economy, but it is also a cover for AI, not that AI is all bad, just that it`s America/Israeli owners are.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Would we really rather deal with a regime that is today sending attack drones and other arms to fight Ukraine and kill Ukraininans on European soil?

I have said this many times but I would have no problem with Iran or even North Korea if they chose to behave but the fact is they don't behave. Iran right now is an aggressor towards us because it chooses active aggressively against us. It's therefore very difficult to see how we can ever easily work with them.

We have to remember that the US is doing none of this, they are just difficult. The US just has an extremely difficult administration but that administration will be effectively nullified by the end of the year. When would the Iranian regime had been nullified except for the bombs that have been landing on their heads recently?
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Right at the start of the Ukraine war a fellow called Sach`s spoke out, his words were, most of the people that Russia has taken the land from , speak Russian, most believe that they are Russian and most are happy providing they can live in peace. My thoughts were the Russians will never give up a foot of land, and the Ukraine does not have the support of the people.
So what is this behave bullshit, America/Israel has murdered millions in the middle east, did we find chemical weapons, did we find nuclear bombs, does Iran have nuclear bombs, did Iran cause the Genocide in Gazza and the west bank, has Iran committed thousands of war crimes . Iran is not Britain`s enemy, it is one of the countries that Britain asked oil of, when we vetoed Russian oil.
 
metalblue said:
I don’t think it’s as straightforward as Trump would have anyone believe. Similarly to when Starmer said we would do same to Russian shadow fleet and we have done precisely fuck all about it as it’s more complex and fraught with risk than merely bullish words - and Starmer is light years ahead of Trump when it comes to considered statements.

As the world is getting used to, Trump sets out to alarm rather than strictly enforce his ramblings - the markets have stopped trading based on anything he tweets - but on this case it’s at least got the Iranians attention. In terms of enforcement we can reasonably expect the US to try and enforce it on Iranian flag or non-flagged ships (rather than other flagged nations). This will likely keep them in port for the time being while the Iranians plot their next move - quite what the US will do if they try and pass the “blockade” is another question altogether.
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Agreed that it is no simple operation to board and seize ships and doing so with an Iranian vessel even more so as they can mix military units in with any civilian crew, replace them entirely or boobytrap the ship.

And what if the Iranians transferred their vessel registrations to China? No toll fees for registration. Also the Iranian regime has operated for years under sanctions, has been repeatedly bombed for the last five weeks and the US thinks a blockade will finally do the trick? It’s not as if Iran or Iranians are unused to harsh times.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Would we really rather deal with a regime that is today sending attack drones and other arms to fight Ukraine and kill Ukraininans on European soil?

I have said this many times but I would have no problem with Iran or even North Korea if they chose to behave but the fact is they don't behave. Iran right now is an aggressor towards us because it chooses active aggressively against us. It's therefore very difficult to see how we can ever easily work with them.

We have to remember that the US is doing none of this, they are just difficult. The US just has an extremely difficult administration but that administration will be effectively nullified by the end of the year. When would the Iranian regime had been nullified except for the bombs that have been landing on their heads recently?
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If Iran was such a dangerous country why was Olly North selling them weapons?

The fact that the US were using the ILLEGAL sales of weapons to Iran to fund South American terrorists is a minor matter. Surely, if Iran was the enemy, you wouldn't sell them weapons, would you, even Americans aren't that thic.............no surely not.


Iran was a peaceful law abiding country right until they nationalised their oil. At that point America caused an uprising and installed a puppet. A corrupt yes man willing to do America (and the wests) bidding. So why should they trust anybody ? Look what happened to Ukraine when we convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Right at the start of the Ukraine war a fellow called Sach`s spoke out, his words were, most of the people that Russia has taken the land from , speak Russian, most believe that they are Russian and most are happy providing they can live in peace. My thoughts were the Russians will never give up a foot of land, and the Ukraine does not have the support of the people.
So what is this behave bullshit, America/Israel has murdered millions in the middle east, did we find chemical weapons, did we find nuclear bombs, does Iran have nuclear bombs, did Iran cause the Genocide in Gazza and the west bank, has Iran committed thousands of war crimes . Iran is not Britain`s enemy, it is one of the countries that Britain asked oil of, when we vetoed Russian oil.
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Jeffrey Sachs always on the ball. Advises to the UN too. One of the biggest critics anywhere of Israel and regularly states they run American foreign policy. Gets called an anti semite and hes Jewish.

Good clip here on his knowledge of the Israeli Lobby.

 
BobKowalski said:
Agreed that it is no simple operation to board and seize ships and doing so with an Iranian vessel even more so as they can mix military units in with any civilian crew, replace them entirely or boobytrap the ship.

And what if the Iranians transferred their vessel registrations to China? No toll fees for registration. Also the Iranian regime has operated for years under sanctions, has been repeatedly bombed for the last five weeks and the US thinks a blockade will finally do the trick? It’s not as if Iran or Iranians are unused to harsh times.
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I think that’s the workaround for Iran if the Chinese would play ball. Given it looks like peace talks are getting some momentum (despite the public rhetoric from both sides) it’ll surely be some time before they go down the reflagging route as it’s far from straightforward.

Iran has done well with oil sales recently for some unbeknown reason I can’t quite fathom so Trumps threat does carry some weight. You can tell it’s landed given the respond from the Iranians.

Regarding sanctions as you say they are used to living with them. Time to try a different approach perhaps.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Right at the start of the Ukraine war a fellow called Sach`s spoke out, his words were, most of the people that Russia has taken the land from , speak Russian, most believe that they are Russian and most are happy providing they can live in peace. My thoughts were the Russians will never give up a foot of land, and the Ukraine does not have the support of the people.
So what is this behave bullshit, America/Israel has murdered millions in the middle east, did we find chemical weapons, did we find nuclear bombs, does Iran have nuclear bombs, did Iran cause the Genocide in Gazza and the west bank, has Iran committed thousands of war crimes . Iran is not Britain`s enemy, it is one of the countries that Britain asked oil of, when we vetoed Russian oil.
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Go and stand right now inside Iran and see what happens to you, you will find out quickly whether Iran is an enemy.

Iran is responsible for numerous human rights abuses including murdering thousands of its own people, arming terrorists, arming our enemies and kidnapping/imprisoning British nationals such as Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe for nothing within Iran. It's a terrorist state reigning via religious brutality.

I'm sure Jet2 will be keen to add it to their list of destinations soon eh?

I'm not even going to go into the Russia stuff, I really don't understand your point. Are you saying Ukraine should become Russian? There are a lot of problems with that argument, number one is we should fight Russia to stop it happening!
 
metalblue said:
I think that’s the workaround for Iran if the Chinese would play ball. Given it looks like peace talks are getting some momentum (despite the public rhetoric from both sides) it’ll surely be some time before they go down the reflagging route as it’s far from straightforward.

Iran has done well with oil sales recently for some unbeknown reason I can’t quite fathom so Trumps threat does carry some weight. You can tell it’s landed given the respond from the Iranians.

Regarding sanctions as you say they are used to living with them. Time to try a different approach perhaps.
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As long as no side is firing missiles at the other than there is an opening for peace talks. The focus on the ‘nuclear weapons’ by the US was odd, almost like they were hyping up Iranian intransigence, given that there was a deal on nuclear weapons in 2015, sources saying the talks prior to the war were positive on nuclear weapons and I seem to recall the Iranian ten point plan included a commitment to not build nuclear weapons.

A development where the US trumpets Iran has caved on nuclear weapons and the war/blockade has been a ‘tremendous success’ would not surprise me. The real problem is I think the weaponisation of the Strait of Hormuz and the possibility of Iran or even Iran and Oman controlling passage. Ironically, this was not a problem prior to the war.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Go and stand right now inside Iran and see what happens to you, you will find out quickly whether Iran is an enemy.

Iran is responsible for numerous human rights abuses including murdering thousands of its own people, arming terrorists, arming our enemies and kidnapping/imprisoning British nationals such as Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe for nothing within Iran. It's a terrorist state reigning via religious brutality.

I'm sure Jet2 will be keen to add it to their list of destinations soon eh?

I'm not even going to go into the Russia stuff, I really don't understand your point. Are you saying Ukraine should become Russian? There are a lot of problems with that argument, number one is we should fight Russia to stop it happening!
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But why are they like that ?
Why do countries hate the 'West', especially the US?
They hate 'us' because of how we have treated them for many many years. We have lied to them, stole from them, even denied them their own land, (look at the Kurds as the best example)
Finally you are believing American/ Western lies about their nuclear capability.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Go and stand right now inside Iran and see what happens to you, you will find out quickly whether Iran is an enemy.
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Why what what would happen .... and how quickly?
We've got Guardiola said:
Iran is responsible for numerous human rights abuses including murdering thousands of its own people, arming terrorists, arming our enemies and kidnapping/imprisoning British nationals such as Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe for nothing within Iran. It's a terrorist state reigning via religious brutality.
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You missed out mad mullahs threatening to blow up the world ...
We've got Guardiola said:
I'm sure Jet2 will be keen to add it to their list of destinations soon eh?
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So your measure of civilisation is whether Jet2 does a package deal?
We've got Guardiola said:
I'm not even going to go into the Russia stuff, I really don't understand your point. Are you saying Ukraine should become Russian?
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Clearly.
We've got Guardiola said:
There are a lot of problems with that argument, number one is we should fight Russia to stop it happening!
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To stop what happenening?
 


This was when Starmer visited Trump but it holds good today, open our oil fields. It’s not green if we buy the oil from Norway might as well drill our own ? Windmills don’t bother me or solar panels we should try and save the planet.

The UK has the most expensive electricity in the world, driven by market structures rather than just fuel costs.
 
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Here in Spain our long term investment in particularly wind as well as solar is reducing the price of electricity not increasing it.
Some days we get free electricity but tariffs revolve around prices per kw depending on time of the day with monthly bills giving bonuses as discounts if we mainly buy is use at cheaper rates.
Take no notice of Trump.
 
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