***US PGA Championship-Valhalla, 7-10th Aug 2014***

jay_mcfc said:
leighton said:
Jason Day is doing well at the moment for me. If ever he had a chance of winning a major its this weekend. Yesterdays round he was truely amazing hopefully this is his weekend. Got him at 66/1 come on Day.
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Except Rory is streets ahead of everyone and will dominate more and for longer than Woods did. We are in the midst of something very, very special.
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1. Rory will not dominate for longer.
2. He will not win more than Woods.

Reason for both, there are only a certain number of major courses that Rory will have a natural advantage on. He only wins majors on these types of tracks. Tiger could win on any course he did not need the greenkeepers to take 95% of the field out of it with the course set up.

When Rory wins a major on a tight track (where he cannot use his driver to just shell it over all the hazards and has to actually course manage) and in a Gale then I will start to believe he has everything to become a great, all you are seeing now is what confidence can do to a golfer.

Example US Open 2011 calm conditions fairways receptive to Drivers he wins by 8 shots.
two moths later at the open at St Georges (full of confidence) but in a gale +7 (12 shots behind the old man Clarke)

A one trick pony will not win 15 majors.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZnlcOOz00[/video]
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
jay_mcfc said:
leighton said:
Jason Day is doing well at the moment for me. If ever he had a chance of winning a major its this weekend. Yesterdays round he was truely amazing hopefully this is his weekend. Got him at 66/1 come on Day.
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Except Rory is streets ahead of everyone and will dominate more and for longer than Woods did. We are in the midst of something very, very special.
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1. Rory will not dominate for longer.
2. He will not win more than Woods.

Reason for both, there are only a certain number of major courses that Rory will have a natural advantage on. He only wins majors on these types of tracks. Tiger could win on any course he did not need the greenkeepers to take 95% of the field out of it with the course set up.

When Rory wins a major on a tight track (where he cannot use his driver to just shell it over all the hazards and has to actually course manage) and in a Gale then I will start to believe he has everything to become a great, all you are seeing now is what confidence can do to a golfer.

Example US Open 2011 calm conditions fairways receptive to Drivers he wins by 8 shots.
two moths later at the open at St Georges (full of confidence) but in a gale +7 (12 shots behind the old man Clarke)

A one trick pony will not win 15 majors.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZnlcOOz00[/video]
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You are joking right? He took his eye off the ball and paid for it with some poor performance but for me he will piss this tournament and that will be 4 majors at the age of 25. You'd be a fool to think he won't win 15 regardless of equipment and courses. He is a phenomenon and luckily for him he's coming into his best when he doesn't have much competition. Tiger saw off Mickleson, Singh, Els, Furyk etc when they were in their pomp. Right now no-one in golf can touch Rory because there is a transition at the moment from the last generation of greats to the next.

I'd say Rory will be the all-time leading major winner within 7 years.
 
don't think that's a fair assessment of Rory's potential, because a) he's young, b) he's had a turbulent time he's just come through and c) everyone said Phil would never win The Open, and he did, and on a much "tighter" course than Tiger ever won the Open on.

Look at Tiger's Open wins, 2 at St. Andrews, the most open and easiest course on the rota, and one at Hoylake, which is also easier and if you're doing down Rory's win there you have to do the same for Tiger.

4 others have been at Augusta, which is also pretty open, long and the home of big hitters, see Bubba and Phil's wins there for proof of that.

So in reality half his major wins have been at courses you'd play Rory down for winning at, so I don't think Rory is doing a lot wrong. Yes he's older than Woods when Tiger started his spree, but there are only a couple of years in it, and Woods has ruined his body at an earlier than usual age for golfers, which has come about at least partly from pushing his body to the limit during his dominant years. If Rory is more sensible he will last longer and therefore may not go through the barren run Tiger has.

So I wouldn't write Rory off on the major number, on number of PGA Tour victories, well Tiger has a huge edge on that and Rory doesn't seem the type to go and win lots of B events to catch up, but the big events, I think Rory can get close throughout his career, he's got 20 years yet if he looks after himself.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
don't think that's a fair assessment of Rory's potential, because a) he's young, b) he's had a turbulent time he's just come through and c) everyone said Phil would never win The Open, and he did, and on a much "tighter" course than Tiger ever won the Open on.

Look at Tiger's Open wins, 2 at St. Andrews, the most open and easiest course on the rota, and one at Hoylake, which is also easier and if you're doing down Rory's win there you have to do the same for Tiger.

4 others have been at Augusta, which is also pretty open, long and the home of big hitters, see Bubba and Phil's wins there for proof of that.

So in reality half his major wins have been at courses you'd play Rory down for winning at, so I don't think Rory is doing a lot wrong. Yes he's older than Woods when Tiger started his spree, but there are only a couple of years in it, and Woods has ruined his body at an earlier than usual age for golfers, which has come about at least partly from pushing his body to the limit during his dominant years. If Rory is more sensible he will last longer and therefore may not go through the barren run Tiger has.

So I wouldn't write Rory off on the major number, on number of PGA Tour victories, well Tiger has a huge edge on that and Rory doesn't seem the type to go and win lots of B events to catch up, but the big events, I think Rory can get close throughout his career, he's got 20 years yet if he looks after himself.
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Yep. It's the off-field problems and injuries that have done for Tiger and that is why he hasn't won 20+. If Rory can avoid those problems I think it's unquestionable he'll pass Woods and probably Nicklaus too.
 
jay_mcfc said:
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
jay_mcfc said:
Except Rory is streets ahead of everyone and will dominate more and for longer than Woods did. We are in the midst of something very, very special.
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1. Rory will not dominate for longer.
2. He will not win more than Woods.

Reason for both, there are only a certain number of major courses that Rory will have a natural advantage on. He only wins majors on these types of tracks. Tiger could win on any course he did not need the greenkeepers to take 95% of the field out of it with the course set up.

When Rory wins a major on a tight track (where he cannot use his driver to just shell it over all the hazards and has to actually course manage) and in a Gale then I will start to believe he has everything to become a great, all you are seeing now is what confidence can do to a golfer.

Example US Open 2011 calm conditions fairways receptive to Drivers he wins by 8 shots.
two moths later at the open at St Georges (full of confidence) but in a gale +7 (12 shots behind the old man Clarke)

A one trick pony will not win 15 majors.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZnlcOOz00[/video]
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You are joking right? He took his eye off the ball and paid for it with some poor performance but for me he will piss this tournament and that will be 4 majors at the age of 25. You'd be a fool to think he won't win 15 regardless of equipment and courses. He is a phenomenon and luckily for him he's coming into his best when he doesn't have much competition. Tiger saw off Mickleson, Singh, Els, Furyk etc when they were in their pomp. Right now no-one in golf can touch Rory because there is a transition at the moment from the last generation of greats to the next.

I'd say Rory will be the all-time leading major winner within 7 years.
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So you are suggesting that even if he wins this week that you believe that he will win 15 of the next 28 majors?
Now who is the one who must be joking.

They way that he swings it he will be lucky to have knees and a back by the time he is 35. It's a beautiful swing but one that is not the easiest on the body.
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
So you are suggesting that even if he wins this week that you believe that he will win 15 of the next 28 majors?
Now who is the one who must be joking.

They way that he swings it he will be lucky to have knees and a back by the time he is 35. It's a beautiful swing but one that is not the easiest on the body.
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I honestly wouldn't say it's out of the question but perhaps it seems a bit extreme. He'll catch Woods in that time though, I have no problem with that statement as long as he stays fit and interested.
 
For what my tuppence is worth, I would be surprised if anybody ever passes Jack. Rory is currently enjoying a purple patch like Tiger did back in the early 2000's but he will go off the boil. They always do.

Seeing these lads at the absolute top of their game is great to watch at the time though, I am enjoying this PGA.
 
jay_mcfc said:
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
So you are suggesting that even if he wins this week that you believe that he will win 15 of the next 28 majors?
Now who is the one who must be joking.

They way that he swings it he will be lucky to have knees and a back by the time he is 35. It's a beautiful swing but one that is not the easiest on the body.
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I honestly wouldn't say it's out of the question but perhaps it seems a bit extreme. He'll catch Woods in that time though, I have no problem with that statement as long as he stays fit and interested.
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Think you are a bit over the top saying he'll get passed Jack within 7 years mate, not many back to back winners of majors throughout its history and the standard of competition is higher with more players capable of winning majors, than it used to be back in Nicklaus' day. Also he'll do well to surpass Tiger, who was far superior over the rest than McIlroy is.
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Think you are a bit over the top saying he'll get passed Jack within 7 years mate, not many back to back winners of majors throughout its history and the standard of competition is higher with more players capable of winning majors, than it used to be back in Nicklaus' day. Also he'll do well to surpass Tiger, who was far superior over the rest than McIlroy is.
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Maybe so but I wouldn't be surprised if he does take over Nicklaus. It might take 10-15 years rather than 7 but he'll do it. I stand by him getting 15 in 7 years. How superior Woods was over his rivals is an interesting one because Woods went up against Mickleson, Els and Singh plus others in their pomp. He was good enough to consistently beat them. I think Rory can do the same because there are no greats in this generation. A lot of major winners for sure but I doubt any of them will win more than 5. The likes of Scott, Rose, Watson are excellent players who will win more majors but the rest of the field is full of very good golfers and there isn't one or two particular players that will challenge Rory every major. I honestly think he's streets ahead of the field and so long as he keeps interested and is free from injury he'll be the player with the most majors when he retires. The only issue I see is he can be distracted, especially when compared to Woods who had a kind of steely determination to win every game and that might be Rory's downfall.
 
Who let Mark Roe into the commentary box and why the fuck is he always on? He's proper annoying.

Hoping Oosthuizen can win me some conga at 100/1 but too many ahead of him I fear.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Who let Mark Roe into the commentary box and why the fuck is he always on? He's proper annoying.

Hoping Oosthuizen can win me some conga at 100/1 but too many ahead of him I fear.
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The cookie monster said:
Top class player Rory
But he still won't win half as what woods has,he was a fucking machine.
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He won't win another 4 majors, 3 if he wins this one? Or do you mean all events?
 
jay_mcfc said:
The cookie monster said:
Top class player Rory
But he still won't win half as what woods has,he was a fucking machine.
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He won't win another 4 majors, 3 if he wins this one? Or do you mean all events?
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Total tournamount wins mate,Woods record is quite staggering tbh
Well over 100 wins and 79 of them on the PGA tour..I remember Faldo once pointing out a hell of a lot of those pga tour wins had Major fields in them,Bigger achievement than winning 14 Majors imo
I dont think we will ever get a golfer starting Majors at odds of 5/4 again like woods did regularly or having long winning streaks of 5,6 & 7 on the PGA tour

He's a great golfer Rory & the best abt atm & he will have had an amazing career if he wins half of what woods has...
 
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