US Politics Thread

[west didsblue]

I’d say you must be joking, but sadly I know you aren’t.

Are you still a fan of him?

 

[west didsblue]

I’m just going to play Devil’s advocate here. The BLM protests were also criminal in many places, in many cities, far more widespread and less concentrated in one space, also lasting much longer.

It’s not a surprise more were arrested and the FBI are now identifying every twunt in the Capitol over the last week and arresting them (or trying to).

Of course those this week trying to stage a fucking coup are the worst of the lot, that have been out causing issues this year, but the BLM protestors that also killed innocent people, aren’t angels either.

There’s a 193 page thread all about it. We don’t really need to discuss it on here and look for equivalence.

 

[meltonblue]

Can see your point . Giving you a hypothetical scenario, Twitter or social media existed when Hitler and his cohorts were around, would allowing them access be acceptable?

I don’t think whether they have access or not is the issue really, it’s who gets to decide it.

I get the argument that Facebook and Twitter are private companies with codes of conducts that mean they can choose to uphold that whenever they want to. That’s the worrying part of it though - the whenever they want to. Banning Trump I don’t particularly have an issue with, he clearly was breaching the CoC. None of the social media companies are good enough at being able to police their content to make that a consistent approach though.

People have banged on about the dangers of how much control Murdoch has had over the years. That pales into insignificance compared to what Dorsey and Zuckerberg have now though in terms users consuming content they ultimately have control over. Their size and omnipresence does need to be considered in this.

It is a tricky one, and always has been with the internet and social media in general, and deserving of a separate debate than to just about Trump.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I’m just going to play Devil’s advocate here. The BLM protests were also criminal in many places, in many cities, far more widespread and less concentrated in one space, also lasting much longer.

It’s not a surprise more we’re arrested and the FBI are now identifying every twunt in the Capitol over the last week and arresting them (or trying to).

Of course those this week trying to stage a fucking coup are the worst of the lot, that have been out causing issues this year, but the BLM protestors that also killed innocent people, aren’t angels either.

I would argue that the lot of the BLM arrests were caused by a difference in policing. People are pointing out that difference as if the Capitol building invaders should have been treated the same as the BLM protesters, but it's actually the opposite. The BLM protesters should have been treated the same as these extremists. The way to avoid a riot is to basically let dickheads be dickheads to some extent and then arrest them later on after you've collected intelligence (up to a point, obviously). But with the BLM protesters, we repeatedly saw the police actually inciting the violence in the first place and then arresting people when they took the bait. Not all police of course. There were some places where they stood by and watched property destruction and no doubt arrested the offenders later on, which is probably the safest way to do it.

If it turns out there were insiders deliberately allowing it to happen, then those people should be punished. And certainly the people who failed to recognise the threat and prepare enough security should also be punished. But in the situation they were in, I don't have a lot of criticism for the police on the ground that day.

 

[jimharri]

Is he on something? He looks spaced out.

 

[Ban-jani]

There’s a 193 page thread all about it. We don’t really need to discuss it on here and look for equivalence.

Why don’t you tell I’m with Stupid over me?

 

[babyape]

Thick as pig shit

 

[west didsblue]

Why don’t you tell I’m with Stupid over me?

Fair point. I didn’t look at his post properly and didn’t realise the context of yours.

 

[Ban-jani]

I would argue that the lot of the BLM arrests were caused by a difference in policing. People are pointing out that difference as if the Capitol building invaders should have been treated the same as the BLM protesters, but it's actually the opposite. The BLM protesters should have been treated the same as these extremists. The way to avoid a riot is to basically let dickheads be dickheads to some extent and then arrest them later on after you've collected intelligence (up to a point, obviously). But with the BLM protesters, we repeatedly saw the police actually inciting the violence in the first place and then arresting people when they took the bait. Not all police of course. There were some places where they stood by and watched property destruction and no doubt arrested the offenders later on, which is probably the safest way to do it.

If it turns out there were insiders deliberately allowing it to happen, then those people should be punished. And certainly the people who failed to recognise the threat and prepare enough security should also be punished. But in the situation they were in, I don't have a lot of criticism for the police on the ground that day.

Look, the facts are that the coup was significantly worse than anything we’ve seen so far in the last 12 months, so don’t think I am airing a defence of those fascist cunts.

That said, people died at the hands of BLM protests, public property was torched and destroyed and it happened in states where the problem is far less significant.

In many areas the response was unjustified, an example being the black, retired cop, who owned a corner shop, that tried to stop rioters ruining his business and the cunts murdered him.

The disgraceful acts this week happened in one city with one large group and therefore it’s harder to make immediate arrests. This thread is littered with examples of the FBI seeking and searching for those guilty. In fact there’s an offer of reward for finding people. It also happened over what 2/3 days, rather than weeks.

To insinuate there’s a country-wide bias in the law is wrong imo.

 

[meltonblue]

I don’t think there’s any bias in the law at all, there is in some in those who are there to uphold it though. Agree it’s for a different thread though.

 

[Ban-jani]

I don’t think there’s any bias in the law at all, there is in some in those who are there to uphold it though. Agree it’s for a different thread though.

Correct and it’s usually the odd individual rather than central agencies like the FBI, who are after the fascists from this week.

... And good luck to them.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

To insinuate there’s a country-wide bias in the law is wrong imo.

I honestly can't be arsed getting into it again, but just to be clear, I'm not insinuating it, I'm stating it explicitly.

But yeah, hopefully we'll see that number of arrests go up over the next few weeks.

However, we're already seeing protests are various other state buildings around the country, so they should get a move on, because I think the ease with which these people were able to get away with it has possibly emboldened others.

 

[Ban-jani]

I honestly can't be arsed getting into it again, but just to be clear, I'm not insinuating it, I'm stating it explicitly.

You brought it up to be fair... if you didn’t want to get into it don’t post it.

For the record I completely disagree, months of protests across a country will always bring more arrests than one specific protest in one city, over 48 hours... even if the latter was a coup.

 

[meltonblue]

Correct and it’s usually the odd individual rather than central agencies like the FBI, who are after the fascists from this week.

... And good luck to them.

Yep, fully agree.

The key issue this time round is it shouldn’t have needed the fbi to need to do all of this post event, someone clearly dropped a huge bollock with the security for the capitol building that day knowing both the protest that was planned and what was going on inside.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yep, fully agree.

The key issue this time round is it shouldn’t have needed the fbi to need to do all of this post event, someone clearly dropped a huge bollock with the security for the capitol building that day knowing both the protest that was planned and what was going on inside.

My understanding is it was a mixture of the local Democrat not thinking anything would happen, sending sections of the police home (read online so could be bollocks?)

And Trump (the ****) holding back the national guard.

 

[Rascal]

Can see your point . Giving you a hypothetical scenario, Twitter or social media existed when Hitler and his cohorts were around, would allowing them access be acceptable?

Hitler wasn't democratically elected President, but i see your point. Goebbels would have made Trump look like an amateur and I cant imagine Hitler would have an Israel flag by his twitter handle like the modern far right crackpots/

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Hitler wasn't democratically elected President, but i see your point. Goebbels would have made Trump look like an amateur and I cant imagine Hitler would have an Israel flag by his twitter handle like the modern far right crackpots/

Neither was Trump this time. It's worth mentioning that Twitter only banned Trump after he failed to be elected and then tried to effectively seize power regardless, basically sending in thugs to attack elected officials doing their job. Obviously the fact that he's still technically president two months after losing is a flaw in their system.

 

[meltonblue]

My understanding is it was a mixture of the local Democrat not thinking anything would happen, sending sections of the police home (read online so could be bollocks?)

And Trump (the ****) holding back the national guard.

I know the sergeants at arms have both now resigned, not sure if they’re politically affiliated or not, I imagine not.

It was the justice department that led the planning though.

 

[Ban-jani]

I know the sergeants at arms have both now resigned, not sure if they’re politically affiliated or not, I imagine not.

It was the justice department that led the planning though.

Think it was a mixture of mild incompetence by those who wanted to do the right thing, mixed with purposeful sabotaging by the agents of evil.

 

[meltonblue]

Think it was a mixture of mild incompetence by those who wanted to do the right thing, mixed with purposeful sabotaging by the agents of evil.

Think that’s a very good summation :)