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fulabeer said:
Where are the decent upstanding Americans in all this? And what are they going to do about it?
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Hopefully, they’ll neuter him in 2026, but until then Trump, and the elected Republicans willing to follow him down this hole, can run roughshod over America!

Elections have consequences, as the gloating Republicans are enjoying telling everyone right now, so we have to live with it and hope the 3 branches, and the checks and balances placed on them, can hold the Republic together.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Hopefully, they’ll neuter him in 2026, but until then Trump, and the elected Republicans willing to follow him down this hole, can run roughshod over America!

Elections have consequences, as the gloating Republicans are enjoying telling everyone right now, so we have to live with it and hope the 3 branches, and the checks and balances placed on them, can hold the Republic together.
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I hope so. I never thought all this possible.
I love visiting the states. The people i've met have been brilliant. And i have lifelong friends there.
I will give visiting a miss while he's in power. Just hope he doesn't somehow find a way to stay in power.
 
fulabeer said:
I hope so. I never thought all this possible.
I love visiting the states. The people i've met have been brilliant. And i have lifelong friends there.
I will give visiting a miss while he's in power. Just hope he doesn't somehow find a way to stay in power.
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We're planning a NE coast adventure later in the year. Depending on what transpires over the next few months I might give it a wide berth.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Are you serious?

Of course every opinion I hold is personalized to me.

For instance, if I hold “the opinion” you are a ****, it is because I think you are a ****. Is that IMpersonal or a personal opinion?

If I hold the opinion that Trump is a Nazi-Wannabee, it’s not because my brother thinks that, or my sister, or my wife, or my child, but me. It is MY opinion. That is MY PERSONAL opinion.

Do you hold opinions that are not yours, but someone else’s? Do you IMpersonalize your opinions so they DO NOT reflect your personal views?

What kind of Wonderland do you inhabit where your personal opinions are NOT personal to you?

Fuck me, the world is going fucking mad!!
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This argument's getting a bit weird.

Of course it's possible to have an opinion that doesn't define you wholly as a person. A united-supporting mate of mine used to think Marcus Rashford was the best player in the Premier League. Now, that is clearly a fucking stupid opinion to hold, but he definitely isn't stupid. In fact, he's one of the most intelligent and successful people I know, just a bit myopic when it comes to the rags.
 
hcblue95 said:
How about being a rapist? Or you don't mind that?
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Well yeah I do mind that. He shouldn't be in power based on that. He is in power though, and he is making changes I wish our country would do. I can agree with some of his decisions whilst agreeing he should be locked up. Him being locked up is out of my hands though.
 
He really is an odious little shit. For all his chin-scratching and pseudy posturing, he is, at best, a posturing edgelord who is not all that good at it. Working out how much of it is "playful" and how much is sincere at this point is an exercise in futility. To cite a law that first emerged on Twitter, Popehat's Law Of Goats, it doesn't matter why you think you fucked a goat, everyone just knows you're the guy who fucked a goat.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
What should I hate Trump for? Stamping down on the gender nonsense is perfection and I wish we had the balls to do so here.
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Whats gender nonsense ? You mean the fake outrage by hate-filled people like Musk and Trump supposedly in defense of women who in trumps case at least they treat like meat. In Musks case I suspect he looks down on them tho perhaps he does that with everyone
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Are you serious?

Of course every opinion I hold is personalized to me.

For instance, if I hold “the opinion” you are a ****, it is because I think you are a ****. Is that IMpersonal or a personal opinion?

If I hold the opinion that Trump is a Nazi-Wannabee, it’s not because my brother thinks that, or my sister, or my wife, or my child, but me. It is MY opinion. That is MY PERSONAL opinion.

Do you hold opinions that are not yours, but someone else’s? Do you IMpersonalize your opinions so they DO NOT reflect your personal views?

What kind of Wonderland do you inhabit where your personal opinions are NOT personal to you?

Fuck me, the world is going fucking mad!!
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No, the world is fine, you've just misunderstood the concept and you've been massively overreacting to everything probably because your boogeyman just got elected to power and you're acting hysterically.

This is very simple. I have opinions. Those are opinions are not part of me, they are not part of my ego or my self-perception. They are things I carry around in a bag. When new ideas or evidence or facts come to light then I take my opinion out of the carrier bag and update, integrate or often just discard it. I have no problem doing this and do not see it as a negative. When people criticise my opinions, they are criticising the things I'm holding in the carrier bag.

You personalise your opinions. They form part of you. When someone attacks your opinions, they are attacking you. You believe these things deeply and it would take an extraordinary effort to be overturned.

We call that faith. But in your own thoughts. And as arrogant as I am, interpositioning my ideas with that of a deity seems a bit off for me
 
Blue and true said:
It was a nazi salute. He proceeded to do it a second time whilst leaving the stage; he's a 50 year-old man who knew full well the connotations of the gesture. It's also worth looking at the expression on his face as he shot his arm into the air. I've never in my life met a single person that has done that in a casual setting, nevermind a professional one.

If you want to blissfully ignore that it was a nazi salute, crack on.
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Elon Musk! The jew hating Nazi.


I always knew he was hiding something....
 
fulabeer said:
I hope so. I never thought all this possible.
I love visiting the states. The people i've met have been brilliant. And i have lifelong friends there.
I will give visiting a miss while he's in power. Just hope he doesn't somehow find a way to stay in power.
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I wouldn’t not visit because of him, but living here is going to change in ways not yet envisaged.
 
Dubai Blue said:
This argument's getting a bit weird.

Of course it's possible to have an opinion that doesn't define you wholly as a person.
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I’m not sure ANY personal opinion would “define you wholly as a person,” would it?

Do you have an opinion that you feel “defines you wholly as a person”???
 
Zuriblue said:
Nope. She's Caitlin. And Donald is Donna.

The text says the sex at conception and that's always female. The SRY gene that flips the male-female switch kicks in at around 6 weeks, until then you're a girl.
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Yup. Why we all have nipples.
Kind of useless for a man, but they develop pre those six weeks.
 
Damocles said:
No, the world is fine, you've just misunderstood the concept and you've been massively overreacting to everything probably because your boogeyman just got elected to power and you're acting hysterically.

This is very simple. I have opinions. Those are opinions are not part of me, they are not part of my ego or my self-perception. They are things I carry around in a bag. When new ideas or evidence or facts come to light then I take my opinion out of the carrier bag and update, integrate or often just discard it. I have no problem doing this and do not see it as a negative. When people criticise my opinions, they are criticising the things I'm holding in the carrier bag.

You personalise your opinions. They form part of you. When someone attacks your opinions, they are attacking you. You believe these things deeply and it would take an extraordinary effort to be overturned.

We call that faith. But in your own thoughts. And as arrogant as I am, interpositioning my ideas with that of a deity seems a bit off for me
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wtf is all this drivel?

If I hold an opinion, it is my personal opinion…from my beliefs, not a carrier bag I carry around!

Opinions don’t define me, but they inform you of who I am, as yours do me. I have no idea who you are…as a person…but your opinions inform me of who you are.

For example, if you stated that, in your personal opinion, Hitler was a genius who was ahead of his time, that would inform me of who I think you might be. If I hold you, in my personal opinion, Fergie was the best manager to ever grace the Premier League, that would inform you of who you think I might be.

Neither personal opinion informs either of us who the “whole person” is, but they give you insight into both the thoughts and feelings of the person expressing that personal opinion.

But, you carry around you bag of opinions and act like they don’t represent who you are…YAWN.
 
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