US Politics Thread

Not categorically, no. But we can all agree that he's lying when he says he's never met her. I mean why even bother saying that when everyone knows it's clearly not true.

These were his exact words last night:

"This woman, I don't know her, I've never met her, I've no idea who she is. I had a picture taken years ago with her and her husband, nice guy, John Johnson. He was a newscaster, very nice man."

He immediately contradicts himself there. And goes to great pains to stress what a top bloke her husband was, so it's a bit of a stretch to believe he honestly has no idea who she is. Given that his deposition was filled with similar nonsense, it's little surprise the jury didn't take his side.

So, you're saying that based upon a technical meeting of a snapshot that he 'met' her?? Out of the literal thousands of women he must have met in 30-40 years, he must know her well?

Like a famous footballer that takes a snap with a fan at a football gala/ dinner/ outside a ground??

Fine, if that's your definition of 'met'.

I think it's a disingenuous position to take.
 
Unfortunately she’s very much another right wing weirdo….



I get that

but she really didn't show that last night in the way she questioned and handled Trumps lies. she was very good in my opinion and showed him up many times. hence why he called her horrible and showed what a misogynist he is.
 
I get that

but she really didn't show that last night in the way she questioned and handled Trumps lies. she was very good in my opinion and showed him up many times. hence why he called her horrible and showed what a misogynist he is.

For me this is how disgusting stuff like this gets laundered and it’s why CNN is so disappointing. I get the need to be fair and balanced in our media but normalizing whatever Trump is and that “journalist” isn’t it. It’s why people have such low faith in media in general.

You can’t put a sex pest on national television and allow him to spout lies. You don’t put a “journalist” on so called serious news station who has parroted antisemitic conspiracy theories and writes racist news articles for one of the most racist men in America, Tucker Carlson. I don’t even know what CNN fired Lemon over of this is who they still have.

All this needs to be denounced, not given a “at least you tried” cake….
 
So, you're saying that based upon a technical meeting of a snapshot that he 'met' her?? Out of the literal thousands of women he must have met in 30-40 years, he must know her well?

Like a famous footballer that takes a snap with a fan at a football gala/ dinner/ outside a ground??

Fine, if that's your definition of 'met'.

I think it's a disingenuous position to take.
I'm saying that any normal person (i.e., someone telling the truth) doesn't repeatedly say they've never met someone when they know full well they have. He doesn't have to remember it, but when presented with the photo, common sense would dictate that you drop that line of defence as it's so patently ludicrous. He also seems to have a very clear recollection of meeting her husband, which casts further doubt on what he's saying.

Then we have the ridiculousness of him mistaking her for his ex-wife after claiming she wasn't at all his type.

The charges didn't have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt as it was a civil case, not criminal. So, in a case that essentially boiled down to who the jury believed more, he went with his default setting of just repeatedly lying. Not particularly clever and he got what he deserved in my opinion after his ridiculous deposition.
 
Surely this isn't "she said, he said"?
It's "she said, he didn't say anything or show up apart from a deposition video".
Not appearing means there the jury could not assess his own statements live in court. I assume they did have him bragging about it and that odious deposition "unfortunately or fortunately".

Offering no counterpoint is a good way of being found guilty.
Claiming something which is demonstrably untrue (such as "I've never met her") is a good way of convincing a jury to support the other side.
 
I'm saying that any normal person (i.e., someone telling the truth) doesn't repeatedly say they've never met someone when they know full well they have. He doesn't have to remember it, but when presented with the photo, common sense would dictate that you drop that line of defence as it's so patently ludicrous. He also seems to have a very clear recollection of meeting her husband, which casts further doubt on what he's saying.

Then we have the ridiculousness of him mistaking her for his ex-wife after claiming she wasn't at all his type.

The charges didn't have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt as it was a civil case, not criminal. So, in a case that essentially boiled down to who the jury believed more, he went with his default setting of just repeatedly lying. Not particularly clever and he got what he deserved in my opinion after his ridiculous deposition.

That middle point - I hadn't put those two things together. I am amused by it though.
 
I'm saying that any normal person (i.e., someone telling the truth) doesn't repeatedly say they've never met someone when they know full well they have. He doesn't have to remember it, but when presented with the photo, common sense would dictate that you drop that line of defence as it's so patently ludicrous. He also seems to have a very clear recollection of meeting her husband, which casts further doubt on what he's saying.

Then we have the ridiculousness of him mistaking her for his ex-wife after claiming she wasn't at all his type.

The charges didn't have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt as it was a civil case, not criminal. So, in a case that essentially boiled down to who the jury believed more, he went with his default setting of just repeatedly lying. Not particularly clever and he got what he deserved in my opinion after his ridiculous deposition.

I agree with some of what you're saying and some of it not.

I've been presented with pics of me and another person 30 years ago that, clearly, shows I met that person. Do I remember the pic taken? No.

Also, meeting the husband doesn't mean a person meets a wife enough to know her in any regard or at all.

Sure, if he mentions mistaking her for his wife is that from his own comment or from her's? This kind of statement is supposed to be complementary to someone being 'attractive'. Surely many of us have told a female 'you remind me of my ex/ wife/ gf' at some point?! It's relatable to some/ many of men talking to some females.

I'm not believing him, but I couldn't convict on 'suspicion of guilt' based on rumour and conjecture as much as many of the above posters, clearly, could.
 
Surely this isn't "she said, he said"?
It's "she said, he didn't say anything or show up apart from a deposition video".
Not appearing means there the jury could not assess his own statements live in court. I assume they did have him bragging about it and that odious deposition "unfortunately or fortunately".

Offering no counterpoint is a good way of being found guilty.
Claiming something which is demonstrably untrue (such as "I've never met her") is a good way of convincing a jury to support the other side.

I agree with most of what you say, but what undercuts it is one pic that the world sees repeatedly (unless you know of others?).

The other being Trump is a Fat Mouth. Talks way too much bullshit and, therefore, I can see him shutting the fuck up at the civil case.

Biden is another Fat Mouth and it's ignored.
 

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