US Politics Thread

[SebastianBlue]

Well, I don’t know that we disagree that much really on the young — but I am not one who believes Israel/Gaza will be a hot button issue by the time the election rolls around, especially as Trump can’t differentiate his own view other than to say Biden isn’t supportive of Israel enough for MAGA’s liking. The risk is apathy, I think we agree, but I also expect Biden will focus on drawing distinction enough to ensure his “we must defeat Trump at all costs” base will turn out. And he has reproductive rights as his key stick there. To waver in public support for Israel might risk Jewish democrats, who could be attracted to Trump’s stance. Rock and a hard place publicly (though not morally IMO, and that’s where Biden might be able to make headway via criticism). It’s a trap really — both “sides” have unsavoury associations though really the only “side” that should matter are innocent Palestinians and Jews caught in the crossfire vs. those doing the purposeful or indiscriminate firing.

I think it may not be hot button for the older democrats in 7 months. But I do think it will remain a very important aspect of the voting decisions of young democrats and independents who increasingly see the Israeli government’s actions as indicative of the larger threat to most people on earth: older, right-leaning (or far-right sympathising) megalomaniacs and fascist fanatics, most often “white”, trying to carve up the world for themselves, actual human lives be damned, as it burns and/or sinks around them.

So I suppose that is where we differ. But I appreciate your assessment as equally viable.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I will never understand the willingness to throw an election for a far right government foreign government who wants your rival in power….

Long way to go yet, mte.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I will never understand the willingness to throw an election for a far right government foreign government who wants your rival in power….

Especially as presumably a vote for trump or abstention puts trump into office along with his unstinting blinkered support for the more extreme elements in the Israeli govt.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Especially as presumably a vote for trump or abstention puts trump into office along with his unstinting blinkered support for the more extreme elements in the world.

 

[KS55]

It could be two different blokes. But maybe he was always just a ****.

This Machiavellian marbles missing geriatric will lose his presidency because he was too weak to tell Israel to stop.

It’s so simple to be POTUS, if you are not POTUS.
While there are left leaning US citizens who are mad at Israel, there are millions of right leaning fundamental Christians who believe Israel has been given the whole of Palestine by god. They have largely driven US policy since 1930. I haven’t even mentioned the powerful Jewish lobbies. Then there is the international dimension, Iran, Russia, Houthi, UAE etc etc.
I‘m glad my biggest problem today is what to cook for dinner.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s so simple to be POTUS, if you are not POTUS.
While there are left leaning US citizens who are mad at Israel, there are millions of right leaning fundamental Christians who believe Israel has been given the whole of Palestine by god. They have largely driven US policy since 1930. I haven’t even mentioned the powerful Jewish lobbies. Then there is the international dimension, Iran, Russia, Houthi, UAE etc etc.
I‘m glad my biggest problem today is what to cook for dinner.

All of that is true but I know you don't believe that he is doing all he can.

Palestinian civilians don't need to be starved to death to satisfy the satanic death cult of Zionism and Christian fundamentalists.

 

[KS55]

All of that is true but I know you don't believe that he is doing all he can.

Palestinian civilians don't need to be starved to death to satisfy the satanic death cult of Zionism and Christian fundamentalists.

I’m sure the US could do more but, frankly, I don’t know what that might be. No doubt they are weighing up all the options but, at the moment, they don’t appear to be any wiser than me! An unenviable position for them.
Netanyahu is the key, what to do about him? Can you reign in such an extreme player and yet preserve America‘s traditional support for Israel? The demonstrations by Israeli citizens should serve to encourage Biden to act as he can be seen to be supporting them to an extent. Patience is needed by the rest of us.
Meanwhile we are all conscious of the terrible price being paid by Gazans.

 

[The blue phantom]

Was watching on CNN yesterday about the Voters in Michigan, So many Democrats will not be giving Biden their vote because of his continued support of Genocide. They literally couldn't find any younger voter who had a good word about him. They did also state they wouldn't be backing Trump either and just stay at home.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Was watching on CNN yesterday about the Voters in Michigan, So many Democrats will not be giving Biden their vote because of his continued support of Genocide. They literally couldn't find any younger voter who had a good word about him. They did also state they wouldn't be backing Trump either and just stay at home.

Democrats staying at home is indirectly voting for trump.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

According to Meiselas, Special Council Jack Smith may be inches away from dropping the hammer on Aileen Cannon.

As an aside, it's shocking how transparently pro-Trump Cannon is. If she were more canny, she could swing the trial Trump's way little-by-little until it was too late to do anything about it.