US Politics Thread

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

They are chanting Genocide Joe at him in his speeches. They are blaming him solely.

For his foreign policy, yes. Nothing to do with what the LAPD did at UCLA as some posters have claimed.

Israel is a very difficult situation, and isn't going to be solved any time soon. Not by Biden, not by Trump and probably not by any politician alive today. It'll take generations to sort out, ant there will be more blood spilled before it gets and better.

 

[The blue phantom]

For his foreign policy, yes. Nothing to do with what the LAPD did at UCLA as some posters have claimed.

Israel is a very difficult situation, and isn't going to be solved any time soon. Not by Biden, not by Trump and probably not by any politician alive today. It'll take generations to sort out, ant there will be more blood spilled before it gets and better.

Was watching an interview with Michael Moore on CNN. He's from michigan and said Biden will lose every swing state because of his Israel stance and let Trump in. An absolute certainty unless he listens to the huge percentage of Democrats and changes direction on his policy.

 

[BobKowalski]

Was watching an interview with Michael Moore on CNN. He's from michigan and said Biden will lose every swing state because of his Israel stance and let Trump in. An absolute certainty unless he listens to the huge percentage of Democrats and changes direction on his policy.

Then they let Trump in. People can point out the obvious dangers of Trump, but if voters decide to ignore it then so be it. Voters are already feeling the effects of the last Trump presidency from cancelling the Iran deal to abortion rights, so if they can’t work it out from that, then there is not a lot you can do.

 

[The blue phantom]

Then they let Trump in. People can point out the obvious dangers of Trump, but if voters decide to ignore it then so be it. Voters are already feeling the effects of the last Trump presidency from cancelling the Iran deal to abortion rights, so if they can’t work it out from that, then there is not a lot you can do.

But the argument Bob is when the majority of your support, large percentage want you to change course and he still won't listen you have to ask, Why?

 

[KS55]

Was watching an interview with Michael Moore on CNN. He's from michigan and said Biden will lose every swing state because of his Israel stance and let Trump in. An absolute certainty unless he listens to the huge percentage of Democrats and changes direction on his policy.

I can’t yet agree that the Israeli problem will derail Biden.
1. The numbers are unknown, relying on opinion polls which are not a good guide.
2. Suburban housewives who normally vote Republican will switch the other way, due to abortion rights. The numbers are unknown.
3. It is a long way to November. US policy may change in the meantime and/or be successful at brokering a ceasefire.
4. Trump’s support is weakening especially among traditional Republicans and the GOP is desperately short of funds.
I conclude that, while this issue will harm Biden, it is not clear by how much. Hold fire for now on the despair.

 

[The blue phantom]

I can’t yet agree that the Israeli problem will derail Biden.
1. The numbers are unknown, relying on opinion polls which are not a good guide.
2. Suburban housewives who normally vote Republican will switch the other way, due to abortion rights. The numbers are unknown.
3. It is a long way to November. US policy may change in the meantime and/or be successful at brokering a ceasefire.
4. Trump’s support is weakening especially among traditional Republicans and the GOP is desperately short of funds.
I conclude that, while this issue will harm Biden, it is not clear by how much. Hold fire for now on the despair.

He needs that 18-35 vote which are 85% against him currently

 

[KS55]

He needs that 18-35 vote which are 85% against him currently

I know what the polls say but they are a notoriously bad guide to actual votes, especially at a distance in time.

 

[KS55]

Was watching an interview with Michael Moore on CNN. He's from michigan and said Biden will lose every swing state because of his Israel stance and let Trump in. An absolute certainty unless he listens to the huge percentage of Democrats and changes direction on his policy.

Michael Moore is hardly a good source for voting intention. He is propagandising. There is no certainty about it.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

He needs that 18-35 vote which are 85% against him currently

This is not a commentary on the policy position.

I don’t think he really needs it as much as people think. The people most vocal in their rebuke of Biden are young people who ostensibly don’t vote. When those people are excluded Biden and Trump are basically even, like they are across most demographics in polling (though I’ve previously stated my belief that Trump gets consistently overrepresented in polls).

This is a classic example of why young people should aim to have better turnout at elections, because until they do, people will be less inclined to court them with policy.

This from CNN:




No doubt there is an impact of this issue on polling. I just think it is way too soon and too temperamental to suggest it’s terminal for his campaign.

When push comes to shove, if young people just don’t show up to vote then that will be… well quite normal really.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If they don’t want to vote for Biden, they could all vote for Sanders instead.