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Bigga said:
Hey WML.

I didn't realise taxpayers should suffer with homelessness, healthcare, rent etc., whilst their own money goes elsewhere without consent.

If that's your pathetic win, cool.

That'll be my 'arse handed' to me.

Crack open a wife beater and celebrate with your stedhead mate.
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While it’s hard to argue with the sentiment that taxpayers money could be better allocated I don’t get your point about consent. I imagine an elected government might think they have a mandate to make choices on behalf of the electorate who elected them (and those who didn’t)
 
journolud said:
While it’s hard to argue with the sentiment that taxpayers money could be better allocated I don’t get your point about consent. I imagine an elected government might think they have a mandate to make choices on behalf of the electorate who elected them (and those who didn’t)
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Politics 101

Don't hate the game...
 
SWP's back said:
Who knew (well yeah, only idiots)…

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This is the level of desperation they've fallen to. They know TX is going blue demographically, and migrationally. So is AZ. And GA. And NC. And other states, just like CO did, CA did, OR did and WA did. They're out of ideas, and caught between the devil and the deep blue sea (pun intended) because they have to pander to a shrinking, hardcore base to win their own local elections, or they're out of work. It's effectively the politically-equivalent idea of the Super League. They have nothing but "tear the Dems down", "own the libs" -- lies, hypocrisy and increasingly the rule of law be damned. Keep shining the light of truth on their efforts, over and over and over again.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is the level of desperation they've fallen to. They know TX is going blue demographically, and migrationally. So is AZ. And GA. And NC. And other states, just like CO did, CA did, OR did and WA did. They're out of ideas, and caught between the devil and the deep blue sea (pun intended) because they have to pander to a shrinking, hardcore base to win their own local elections, or they're out of work. It's effectively the politically-equivalent idea of the Super League. They have nothing but "tear the Dems down", "own the libs" -- lies, hypocrisy and increasingly the rule of law be damned. Keep shining the light of truth on their efforts, over and over and over again.
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We've been governed by the minority for decades now and it's getting worse and worse. 5 conservative justices on the SCOTUS have been appointed by a POTUS who lost the popular vote while the senate is ruled by senators that represent 40% of the country. Now they're openly using that power to suppress votes in minority/urban areas to hold onto power. 2022 could mark the end of our democracy if they take back the house and senate. They'll block any SCOTUS nominee by Biden, and overturn the POTUS election in 2024 if another Democrat wins. When it's all said and done it's going to happen because two "Democrats" (Manchin and Sinema) put their own financial interests ahead of what's best for the country.

Our only hopes are:
A. We see multiple "get out the vote" campaigns like the one Stacy Abrams did in Georgia
B. Merrick Garland and the DOJ prosecute and convict the insurrection caucus along with Dumb Donald and all of his enablers.
 
buckshot said:
We've been governed by the minority for decades now and it's getting worse and worse. 5 conservative justices on the SCOTUS have been appointed by a POTUS who lost the popular vote while the senate is ruled by senators that represent 40% of the country. Now they're openly using that power to suppress votes in minority/urban areas to hold onto power. 2022 could mark the end of our democracy if they take back the house and senate. They'll block any SCOTUS nominee by Biden, and overturn the POTUS election in 2024 if another Democrat wins. When it's all said and done it's going to happen because two "Democrats" (Manchin and Sinema) put their own financial interests ahead of what's best for the country.

Our only hopes are:
A. We see multiple "get out the vote" campaigns like the one Stacy Abrams did in Georgia
B. Merrick Garland and the DOJ prosecute and convict the insurrection caucus along with Dumb Donald and all of his enablers.
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I suspect we will see progress on both A and B. And blocking 2024 will require a complicit candidate, and I’m not sure whomever wins that nomination will go as far as Trump, nor be as “popular” as he. It’s a cult of personality. Unless you think Trump is winning the nomination. Which maybe he is, but maybe not if B happens and he’s barred from running for public office. As much as Nikki Haley’s craven ass-kissing disgusts me, I couldn’t see her supporting a mandate overthrow if she lost. DeSantis I’m not so sure about, but he’s got his own problems right now that are largely of his own making. The SCOTUS worries me but I’ve always believed they will as a body try to be seen as beholden to no one. 2022 is critical, I agree — and Democrats can’t run against Trump. They have to get turnout up. And I think they will. No Trumpian coattails will also help.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I suspect we will see progress on both A and B. And blocking 2024 will require a complicit candidate, and I’m not sure whomever wins that nomination will go as far as Trump, nor be as “popular” as he. It’s a cult of personality. Unless you think Trump is winning the nomination. Which maybe he is, but maybe not if B happens and he’s barred from running for public office. As much as Nikki Haley’s craven ass-kissing disgusts me, I couldn’t see her supporting a mandate overthrow if she lost. DeSantis I’m not so sure about, but he’s got his own problems right now that are largely of his own making. The SCOTUS worries me but I’ve always believed they will as a body try to be seen as beholden to no one.
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Indeed - it's fucking grim. But there's room for optimism.
 
journolud said:
While it’s hard to argue with the sentiment that taxpayers money could be better allocated I don’t get your point about consent. I imagine an elected government might think they have a mandate to make choices on behalf of the electorate who elected them (and those who didn’t)
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"Consent"

i.e., going to war whenever a first world gov feels like it.

See US and UK for very good examples.

Not sure why peoples' collective memories fail them.

Would you be happy killing people on foreign land based on a lie, power and money if you were victim to those very same traits on your own soil??

Is that the 'mandate' you would be happy with?

Maybe you shouldn't answer in case the laughing hyenas love your response.
 
Bigga said:
"Consent"

i.e., going to war whenever a first world gov feels like it.

See US and UK for very good examples.

Not sure why peoples' collective memories fail them.

Would you be happy killing people on foreign land based on a lie, power and money if you were victim to those very same traits on your own soil??

Is that the 'mandate' you would be happy with?

Maybe you shouldn't answer in case the laughing hyenas love your response.
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Fuck me you’re an irritating ****.

I’m well aware of the propensity for successive US and UK governments to be a bit trigger happy as well as funding war through weapon sales. That you need to ask if I’m happy with that shows to me you are more concerned with demonstrating your own right on point of view than making any attempt to understand the thoughts and opinions of others.

Like it or not governments make decisions and implement them. Because they win elections, in a very imperfect system. Pointing out this simple fact doesn’t signify approval of it.
 
journolud said:
Fuck me you’re an irritating ****.

I’m well aware of the propensity for successive US and UK governments to be a bit trigger happy as well as funding war through weapon sales. That you need to ask if I’m happy with that shows to me you are more concerned with demonstrating your own right on point of view than making any attempt to understand the thoughts and opinions of others.

Like it or not governments make decisions and implement them. Because they win elections, in a very imperfect system. Pointing out this simple fact doesn’t signify approval of it.
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Listen, '****', don't message if you don't like your answer.

Just join the rest of your pack and be a WML and everything will be just dandy.
 
Bigga said:
Listen, '****', don't message if you don't like your answer.

Just join the rest of your pack and be a WML and everything will be just dandy.
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The irony being that I am probably closer to you politically than I am to the “pack” you are seemingly desperate to see me as part of so you can carry on your one man crusade for the truth and the rights of man.

Of course I shouldn’t have addressed you in such terms and I realise now that questions such as

Would you be happy killing people on foreign soil based on a lie, power and money if you were victim to those very same traits on your own soil?”

are a clever and thought provoking rhetorical device rather than something to be taken literally as only a fool would ask that question seriously. And you’re not a fool are you Bigga?
 
journolud said:
The irony being that I am probably closer to you politically than I am to the “pack” you are seemingly desperate to see me as part of so you can carry on your one man crusade for the truth and the rights of man.

Of course I shouldn’t have addressed you in such terms and I realise now that questions such as

Would you be happy killing people on foreign soil based on a lie, power and money if you were victim to those very same traits on your own soil?”

are a clever and thought provoking rhetorical device rather than something to be taken literally as only a fool would ask that question seriously. And you’re not a fool are you Bigga?
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Yes, if you choose to insult me, you'll be responded to in the same way.

If you have a problem with an expansive question that shows up irony, then that's not my problem if you take it literally or rhetorically.

I mean, you're not a fool are you, Journey?
 
Bigga said:
Yes, if you choose to insult me, you'll be responded to in the same way.

If you have a problem with an expansive question that shows up irony, then that's not my problem if you take it literally or rhetorically.

I mean, you're not a fool are you, Journey?
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The question I quoted really wasn’t expansive, it was shaped in such a way as to demand a yes or no answer and it really didn’t show up irony. Erm, IMHO that is

I’m not a fool no but I am minded to keep in mind the definition of insanity wrongly ascribed to Einstein when it comes to my dealings with you
 
journolud said:
The question I quoted really wasn’t expansive, it was shaped in such a way as to demand a yes or no answer and it really didn’t show up irony. Erm, IMHO that is

I’m not a fool no but I am minded to keep in mind the definition of insanity wrongly ascribed to Einstein when it comes to my dealings with you
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Well, that would be what a WML would say.

Off you pop and join your gang, then...
 
Bigga said:
Well, that would be what a WML would say.

Off you pop and join your gang, then...
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You will insist I’m part of the “gang” although you won’t find me part of any pile on against you or “liking” the numerous posts that are critical of or insulting to you. As I’ve said I don’t think you want any common ground or accord with anyone, it suits you to be disagreeable and lump everyone in the same camp.

I’ve no idea what a WML is meant to be, even after googling but then I guess I would say that, being one, apparently
 
journolud said:
You will insist I’m part of the “gang” although you won’t find me part of any pile on against you or “liking” the numerous posts that are critical of or insulting to you. As I’ve said I don’t think you want any common ground or accord with anyone, it suits you to be disagreeable and lump everyone in the same camp.

I’ve no idea what a WML is meant to be, even after googling but then I guess I would say that, being one, apparently
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Well meaning liberal, I think.
 
Bigga said:
Would you be happy killing people on foreign land based on a lie, power and money if you were victim to those very same traits on your own soil??
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I dont think anybody in their right mind would be happy with that. Look at the animosity aimed at Blair for that very thing.

I'd also be surprised if many disagree with you when it comes to the US and their propensity for military and the amount they spend annually when so many of its citizens are at or below the poverty line. Not even starting on healthcare or education.

The problem becomes the way you frame your question. Its obviously a poor line and evryone should answer no. what point does that question serve?
 
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