US Politics Thread

I have wondered sometimes whether Trump really wants to win.
When Trump descended the Elevator in 2016 to announce his candidacy for the 2016 for the upcoming Presidential election it was not about public service, it was about how much money he could make from the grift. Unfortunately, he grifted so hard during his presidency, his current Presidential run is about keeping his arse out of jail, and that involves making more money to pay his legal bills and keep his private jet running.
 
When Trump descended the Elevator in 2016 to announce his candidacy for the 2016 for the upcoming Presidential election it was not about public service, it was about how much money he could make from the grift. Unfortunately, he grifted so hard during his presidency, his current Presidential run is about keeping his arse out of jail, and that involves making more money to pay his legal bills and keep his private jet running.
True. He also stepped up his notoriety and like most sociopaths he doesn't care what people think of him, he just needs them to think if him.
 


Piggy backing off this. Some interest early voting numbers. When you look at the registration of voters who have voted early:

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It looks pretty much like there’s an even number of Rep and Dem early voters… but…

Some polling of early voters has been released today. Note that polling somebody after they’ve voted is a lot more accurate always, because you are asking about something that has already happened so people don’t have room to project or obfuscate. The early voting poll looks like this:

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An average 24 pt lead.

What can we take from this? Well there’s some possibilities. Either:
- The party registration data is inaccurate. I think this is partly the case, some of it is based on how people voted in the primaries so there is some definite flex in there.
- The early voting polling is inaccurate. Again possible, but this is a series of polls by different pollsters all giving a 19-29 point lead, would seem unlikely that they’re all way out.
- Or both are accurate and therefore a lot of people who look statistically like Republicans in registration are actually voting Democrat. We know that this was the case for many people who’d supported Haley.

I think the truth is that it’s a combination of all of the above - but what is significant is that this early voting lead is more than double what Clinton had in 2016 (2020 not comparable given COVID).

I think it could still be close, but what I will say is the more data I see the more the odds of a complete Trump capitulation seem like a possibility. Far from certain though. Ultimately people need to get out and vote.
 
I think it could still be close, but what I will say is the more data I see the more the odds of a complete Trump capitulation seem like a possibility. Far from certain though. Ultimately people need to get out and vote.
“WE WANT 10!”

P.S. Excellent post, as always. I have been in the other thread trying to explain the gender gap to a few that seem to be struggling to understand its significance this cycle.

Here are some quick statistics from a recent Reuters poll, which tends to be fairly neutral in evaluation and sampling.

The following figures draw from an analysis of more than 14,000 responses by registered voters in Reuters/Ipsos polls conducted in October of this year and in the same month of 2020. The numbers have levels of precision between 2 and 6 percentage points.
  • Among women, Harris led Trump this month by 12 percentage points: 50% to 38%. By comparison, Biden led Trump by 5 points among women voters in October 2020. Some respondents in the polls said they were unsure how they would vote, or that they might pick a third-party candidate or not vote at all.
  • Democrats' gains among women have been fueled by Harris' standing among white women. Harris trailed Trump by 2 points among white women- 46% to 44% - a much smaller margin than the 16-point lead Trump had over Biden four years earlier.
  • Among men, Trump led Harris by 7 points: 48% to 41%. Ahead of the 2020 election, Trump was leading Biden by 1 point: 45% to 44%.
  • Trump's improved standing with male voters was driven in part by his gains among Hispanic men. Trump was trailing Harris by just 2 percentage points among Hispanic men - 46% to 44% - compared with his 16-point deficit with Biden - 53% to 37% - at the same point in 2020.
  • Hispanic voters, the fastest-growing segment of the U.S. electorate, have leaned heavily Democratic in most presidential elections since the 1970s but Trump has made significant inroads. Trump had the support of 38% of registered Hispanic voters, up from 32% at the same point in 2020. Harris' share of Hispanic voters was at 50%, compared with Biden's 54% in October 2020.
  • Among Black voters overall, 68% said they would vote for Harris, down from 74% who said in October 2020 they would vote for Biden. Trump only gained marginally - he was picked by 12% of Black voters this month compared to 11% four years ago. The share of Black voters who said they wouldn't vote was up slightly, 7% in October of this year compared to 3% just before the 2020 election.
  • The share of Black men saying they would vote for Harris - 63% - was down 8 points from Biden's 71% ahead of the 2020 election. The share of Black women picking Harris was down 4 points to 73% from the 77% who said they would vote for Biden in October 2020.
  • Some 19% of Black men and 7% of Black women said in October they would vote for Trump, up from 17% and 5% who said the same in October 2020.
  • Harris' 21-point lead among Hispanic women - 53% to 32% - was tighter than Biden's 31-point lead - 56% to 25% - among Hispanic women in October 2020.
  • Trump was the pick of 50% of white voters overall, down from 53% in October 2020. Some 40% of white voters picked Harris, up from 35% who said they would vote for Biden in October 2020. Harris' gains were mostly fueled by her advance among white women, though she advanced slightly among white men as well. Trump's 18-point lead over Harris among white men - 54% to 36% - was narrower than his 20-point lead four years ago.
  • Among voters without a college degree, Trump led Harris in October by 10 points - 49% to 39% - after leading Biden by 2 points four years earlier - 44% to 42%.
  • College graduates - who make up a smaller share of the electorate but tend to participate more in elections - were breaking more heavily Democratic, with Harris leading Trump by 21 points - 55% to 34% - compared with Biden's 9-point lead in October 2020.
 
“WE WANT 10!”

P.S. Excellent post, as always. I have been in the other thread trying to explain the gender gap to a few that seem to be struggling to understand its significance this cycle.

Here are some quick statistics from a recent Reuters poll, which tends to be fairly neutral in evaluation and sampling.

The following figures draw from an analysis of more than 14,000 responses by registered voters in Reuters/Ipsos polls conducted in October of this year and in the same month of 2020. The numbers have levels of precision between 2 and 6 percentage points.
  • Among women, Harris led Trump this month by 12 percentage points: 50% to 38%. By comparison, Biden led Trump by 5 points among women voters in October 2020. Some respondents in the polls said they were unsure how they would vote, or that they might pick a third-party candidate or not vote at all.
  • Democrats' gains among women have been fueled by Harris' standing among white women. Harris trailed Trump by 2 points among white women- 46% to 44% - a much smaller margin than the 16-point lead Trump had over Biden four years earlier.
  • Among men, Trump led Harris by 7 points: 48% to 41%. Ahead of the 2020 election, Trump was leading Biden by 1 point: 45% to 44%.
  • Trump's improved standing with male voters was driven in part by his gains among Hispanic men. Trump was trailing Harris by just 2 percentage points among Hispanic men - 46% to 44% - compared with his 16-point deficit with Biden - 53% to 37% - at the same point in 2020.
  • Hispanic voters, the fastest-growing segment of the U.S. electorate, have leaned heavily Democratic in most presidential elections since the 1970s but Trump has made significant inroads. Trump had the support of 38% of registered Hispanic voters, up from 32% at the same point in 2020. Harris' share of Hispanic voters was at 50%, compared with Biden's 54% in October 2020.
  • Among Black voters overall, 68% said they would vote for Harris, down from 74% who said in October 2020 they would vote for Biden. Trump only gained marginally - he was picked by 12% of Black voters this month compared to 11% four years ago. The share of Black voters who said they wouldn't vote was up slightly, 7% in October of this year compared to 3% just before the 2020 election.
  • The share of Black men saying they would vote for Harris - 63% - was down 8 points from Biden's 71% ahead of the 2020 election. The share of Black women picking Harris was down 4 points to 73% from the 77% who said they would vote for Biden in October 2020.
  • Some 19% of Black men and 7% of Black women said in October they would vote for Trump, up from 17% and 5% who said the same in October 2020.
  • Harris' 21-point lead among Hispanic women - 53% to 32% - was tighter than Biden's 31-point lead - 56% to 25% - among Hispanic women in October 2020.
  • Trump was the pick of 50% of white voters overall, down from 53% in October 2020. Some 40% of white voters picked Harris, up from 35% who said they would vote for Biden in October 2020. Harris' gains were mostly fueled by her advance among white women, though she advanced slightly among white men as well. Trump's 18-point lead over Harris among white men - 54% to 36% - was narrower than his 20-point lead four years ago.
  • Among voters without a college degree, Trump led Harris in October by 10 points - 49% to 39% - after leading Biden by 2 points four years earlier - 44% to 42%.
  • College graduates - who make up a smaller share of the electorate but tend to participate more in elections - were breaking more heavily Democratic, with Harris leading Trump by 21 points - 55% to 34% - compared with Biden's 9-point lead in October 2020.

As @SWP's back likes to remind us - the increasing bifurcation of gender voting patterns that was initiated since Roe v Wade was overturned has blown a hole in polling over the last 2 years. Repeatedly. In special elections, in mid-terms, in congressional elections, in gubernatorial elections - we've seen so many polls that haven't even been close to reality and they invariably underestimated women turning out to vote down anti-abortion sentiment.

Now... perhaps if I'm being generous, I'd suggest pollsters often update their methodology and could have done so for this cycle.

But even taking this into account, these gender divide numbers look similar to this stage 4 years ago in the swing states, but now the voting sentiment gap has widened significantly. So where is Trump's path to victory if we're seeing the same data as four years ago, suggesting the same people are turning out, but with worse implications for him? In the poll above it says "Trump's support among all white voters is 50%". Well then how does he win when that is only about 37% of the voting population? He is losing with literally every other demographic. Losing by a lot. And he'd basically need 40-50% of them.

I keep coming back round to this as my reasoning, but ignoring the polls completely, I don't know how Trump does better than 4 years ago, and I don't know how Harris does worse. The maths does not math.
 
To be clear, those of you proclaiming a Harris win, and the same for Trump, will have to account for themselves afterwards.

We’re all Blue, but different politics will need a response.
 

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