US Politics Thread

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Not.

Yeah got it now. My defence is that I am way overdue an eye test ;)

 

[BlueNomad]

Yes I did know what natural born meant, was just being a bit lazy. It's a bit late and I'm on a mobile so difficult to research properly, but there does seem to be some confusion about the term wrt to becoming POTUS, I'll need to look into it.

Edit: My bad, misread a wiki page. Time for bed ...

“A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.”

So, ANY PERSON who has the RIGHT to US Citizenship at birth (incl. born to US citizens overseas), is eligible.

That’s not me, that’s not Arnie!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

“A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.”

So, ANY PERSON who has the RIGHT to US Citizenship at birth (incl. born to US citizens overseas), is eligible.

That’s not me, that’s not Arnie!

Technically, my mates kids can be POTUS as my mate is a UK citizen, but both his kids were born in the US when he was working out there and were registered as citizens at birth.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

“A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.”

So, ANY PERSON who has the RIGHT to US Citizenship at birth (incl. born to US citizens overseas), is eligible.

That’s not me, that’s not Arnie!

Are people born by Caesarian excluded?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I support Democracy of course, i don't support corporate power or capitalist exploitation.

Given a choice between Trump and Biden, I would abstain, they are equally dangerous in my mind albeit it for different reasons.

Abstaining is a coward's way out, as the events of the last week should prove. "Equally dangerous" -- absolute fuckwittery of the highest order.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Things appear to be gathering pace.

Pelosi is basically putting Pence in a headlock and twisting his ear at this point.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Oh... It appears actions do have consequences.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Things appear to be gathering pace.

Pelosi is basically putting Pence in a headlock and twisting his ear at this point.

Here's my guess -- just a guess -- the pressure ramps in the next 48-72 hours, and he's going to try to pardon himself, and his family, and resign. I'd lay odds he won't be president by the end of the week. And Biden will become 47, not 46.

 

[west didsblue]

I support Democracy of course, i don't support corporate power or capitalist exploitation.

Given a choice between Trump and Biden, I would abstain, they are equally dangerous in my mind albeit it for different reasons.

If you were American you would be part of the problem then.

 

[BobKowalski]

Things appear to be gathering pace.

Pelosi is basically putting Pence in a headlock and twisting his ear at this point.

Give Nancy her due, she ain’t pissing around on this.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Here's my guess -- just a guess -- the pressure ramps in the next 48-72 hours, and he's going to try to pardon himeself, and his family, and resign. I'd lay odds he won't be president by the end of the week. And Biden will become 47, not 46.

How long after that do SDNY drop the subpoenas?

Trump and his family are certainly a flight risk.

 

[BobKowalski]

I support Democracy of course, i don't support corporate power or capitalist exploitation.

Given a choice between Trump and Biden, I would abstain, they are equally dangerous in my mind albeit it for different reasons.

No, one can do infinitely more harm than the other, that’s always been the case. It’s a moral choice, and a simple one. Trump had to be removed.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

How long after that do SDNY drop the subpoenas?

Trump and his family are certainly a flight risk.

After last week, the SDNY stuff is like a parking ticket, mate. We're going to find out Trump and/or his people and/or elected Republicans and/or Federal police and/or Federal employees -- agent provocateurs on the inside -- were in communication with and directing the rioters, and continue to do so even now. I'd guess the President's ability to pardon himself is going to become a point of law. I would bet even his conservative Supreme Court won't allow for it (see US vs Nixon).

I would expect Trump to want to flee the country shortly after the inauguration regardless, but I don't know to where nor if he can. As soon as Biden has control of the armed forces/CIA/FBI, the above-ground "revolution" will come to a swift end assuming there aren't hundreds of plants left over (I have no idea) and go underground, and we will be fighting terrorists from within for perhaps years, certainly months.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Natural Born means US citizen at birth. Arnie is an Austrian citizen by birth, so therefore precluded from being POTUS.

What can we do to tempt Boris to take on the role?

 

[west didsblue]

I would expect Trump to want to flee the country shortly after the inauguration regardless, but I don't know to where nor if he can.

NK or Russia would be my guess. They’re his only friends, and they’d love the propaganda coup.
More realistically will be Cuba, in that small US enclave there where they dress in orange. He’d fit right in.

 

[bonespost]

Here's my guess -- just a guess -- the pressure ramps in the next 48-72 hours, and he's going to try to pardon himself, and his family, and resign. I'd lay odds he won't be president by the end of the week. And Biden will become 47, not 46.

My guess a Middle Eastern connection Saudi or Qatar .

 

[SWP's back]

Not the point, it is corporate censure.

Driving extremism underground.

For fucks sake Russ.

Several things, for a start a load of people replied to you at length yesterday and you’ve decided to completely ignore those posts and just repeat your arse water of an argument again. Yet when just one says they can’t be arsed arguing with you, you think it’s some sort of moral victory and that he’s no better than a ‘corporate elitist’ for having the common sense to realise it’s beyond pointless. That’s some rank hypocrisy right there old chum.

Anyway - You would rather take the power of companies away and force them to publish extremists views?

Is there anything Trump et al could say that would cross the line for you and allow these private companies to adhere to their own code of conduct by banning them?

How high up in office does one have to be to be unbanable?

 

[SWP's back]

Abstaining is a coward's way out, as the events of the last week should prove. "Equally dangerous" -- absolute fuckwittery of the highest order.

That’s Russ for you.

 

[SWP's back]

My guess a Middle Eastern connection Saudi or Qatar .

You can fuck right off.

As both those countries are in great standing with the US, there’s not a chance of that.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

That’s Russ for you.

I sometimes assume folks who think like this have spent their lives forced to compromise about everything, so when it comes to their religious beliefs or political views, those are THEIRS, and there will be no compromise, ever. Lack of desire to compromise or ability to do so leads to one thing -- extremism or, better put, puritanism. You want to talk about "equally dangerous", let's talk about extremism and extremists of any ilk, which end up in the same place regardless: totalitarianism.