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If Trump is indicted for document mishandling and it transpires that US national secrets have been divulged to foreign nationals due to extortion, bribery, financial gains or any other reason then I don't think people realise how bad that actually is.

Essentially the USA have allowed the election of someone who in normal circumstances wouldn't be allowed a Secret security clearance (due to personal and business associations plus previous/current financial impropriety), let alone access TS/SCI codeword stuff. This guy wouldn't be allowed near the stationary cabinet unsupervised, but they elected him president and gave him access to EVERYTHING.

Fair play to Russia if they engineered this situation. They do love to play the long game.
 
As an intelligence service the CIA has been fucked for the long term by Trump even if only a fraction of the things he is alleged to have done are true, and in reality it’s probably a lot worse than anything we’ve seen so far. Who in their right mind will agree to supply intelligence to the USA when they can’t trust that the USA will protect their identity from those they are gathering information from. The damage Trump has done to the western world is incalculable.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don't really mean it. It's just extraordinary how wrong they got him, and how smug they were telling us how wrong we were.
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I said it on day one of the thread the night Trump was elected how this would end.

There were more than a few naysayers, but one by one they dwindled away leaving us with nutters and WUM's who profess to be cleverer than everyone else.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I said it on day one of the thread the night Trump was elected how this would end.

There were more than a few naysayers, but one by one they dwindled away leaving us with nutters and WUM's who profess to be cleverer than everyone else.
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I knew it would be a total disaster but the scale of it exceeded my expectations. I foolishly thought that the institutions in place would keep him in check. Instead he’s managed to corrupt them all.
 
west didsblue said:
I knew it would be a total disaster but the scale of it exceeded my expectations. I foolishly thought that the institutions in place would keep him in check. Instead he’s managed to corrupt them all.
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I followed Trump's antics way before he even decided to run.

He's ALWAYS been a wrong un'. I'm pretty sure this hasn't been a solo effort though. He's had assistance.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I said it on day one of the thread the night Trump was elected how this would end.

There were more than a few naysayers, but one by one they dwindled away leaving us with nutters and WUM's who profess to be cleverer than everyone else.
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A few years ago, there seemed to be an age of people liking the strongman image, even looking to the likes of Putin and Xiping as bastions of such tactics. Johnson seemed to fall into that mindset as he, and what he promised with his Cabinet, showed them that he could take control, ousting May to make it happen.

I do wonder if they still have the same opinion?
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Nothing will ever happen to him despite all his law breaking
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This is a different kind of law-breaking though. Perhaps he will be indicted, will surrender willingly to authorities (rather than be humiliatingly arrested), but will plead out, including agreeing not to run for a Federal public office (since given current and anticipated congressional make-up, it's doubtful he'll be force-barred via the 14th Amendment). We'll never see him in an orange jumpsuit, though some of his lackeys who assisted in his theft/Espionage Act violations might see jail time, though, and/or will also accept public service bans (ala what the SEC/FINRA does in the case of public securities crime).
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
This is a different kind of law-breaking though. Perhaps he will be indicted, will surrender willingly to authorities (rather than be humiliatingly arrested), but will plead out, including agreeing not to run for a Federal public office (since given current and anticipated congressional make-up, it's doubtful he'll be force-barred via the 14th Amendment). We'll never see him in an orange jumpsuit, though some of his lackeys who assisted in his theft/Espionage Act violations might see jail time, though, and/or will also accept public service bans (ala what the SEC/FINRA does in the case of public securities crime).
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I think the US is stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place on this one.

Let's face it, on Jan 6 the whole country was a single Mike Pence away from a coup, and if the rioters had been better organised who knows what would have happened. The 99.9% of the GOP have gone insane, and with every day that goes by something else that would have been considered utterly bat shit crazy 5 years ago is normalised.

Rick Wilson (love him or hate him) was absolutely correct when he said 'Everything that Trump Touches Dies'. Trump is a cancer which is spreading throughout the GOP. The lack of consequences for his actions over the last few years has paved the way for wannabe despots such as DeSantis who has been banning books and the discussion of sexuality and slavery in schools.

If Trump isn't dealt with fairly and equally under the law, then your Republic is effectively dead, because there is absolutely noway back from this if he's seen to get away with it.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I think the US is stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place on this one.

Let's face it, on Jan 6 the whole country was a single Mike Pence away from a coup, and if the rioters had been better organised who knows what would have happened. The 99.9% of the GOP have gone insane, and with every day that goes by something else that would have been considered utterly bat shit crazy 5 years ago is normalised.

Rick Wilson (love him or hate him) was absolutely correct when he said 'Everything that Trump Touches Dies'. Trump is a cancer which is spreading throughout the GOP. The lack of consequences for his actions over the last few years has paved the way for wannabe despots such as DeSantis who has been banning books and the discussion of sexuality and slavery in schools.

If Trump isn't dealt with fairly and equally under the law, then your Republic is effectively dead, because there is absolutely noway back from this if he's seen to get away with it.
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But even if he is, I guarantee that the next Republican to get into power will pardon him.

The South Korean PM was jailed for 24 years and then pardoned just 3 years later. Malaysia's PM was jailed for 12 years in 2020 but has only just started his sentence after 2 years of appeals allowed him to stay out. I'll be astonished if he completes the sentence. And even if convicted of anything, I'll be amazed if Trump ever spends a significant amount of time in jail.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
But even if he is, I guarantee that the next Republican to get into power will pardon him.

The South Korean PM was jailed for 24 years and then pardoned just 3 years later. Malaysia's PM was jailed for 12 years in 2020 but has only just started his sentence after 2 years of appeals allowed him to stay out. I'll be astonished if he completes the sentence. And even if convicted of anything, I'll be amazed if Trump ever spends a significant amount of time in jail.
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Trump will do anything to avoid jail, including faking an illness.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Trump will do anything to avoid jail, including faking an illness.
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People don't do that, do they? Are you suggesting that this might not have been entirely genuine?

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