US Politics Thread

[Mr Kobayashi]

I notice you haven't actually taken a position. What's your position exactly? That Maddow 'exaggerates while Carlson misinforms? That Maddow misinformms but less than Carlson? That only Carlson misinforms? Let's make sure we actually disagree here.

Let's not be like like Foggy. Who doesn't disagree but respond as if he does.


I repeat! They all misinform. Consistently!

Of the two, who spreads conspiracy theories and has praised the journalistic qualities of Alex Jones?

There is your answer.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's not "both sides', it's any and all opinion laden show.
They all :
1. Tell outright lies,
2. Exaggerate for emphasis
3. Omit relevant facts,
4. Conflate unrelated issues ( This you are good at.)
5. Frame an issue in a way that guarantees the audience will be misinformed.
6. Appeals to Authority and Emotions.
7. Use faulty comparisons.

The list of tricks go on and on. All of these end up creating the same effect. A misinformed audience.

The above applies equally to The Rachel Maddow show, Tucker Carlson tonight, The Reid Out. Don Lemon, the Guv's brother, the Five and on and on.

Jesus tap dancing Christ. Every single piece of “news” ever aired or printed in fucking history is an opinion “show.” Do you know why? But they “all” don’t do as you say. Do you know why?

You want to talk in absolutes about what they “all” do but are fundamentally ignorant about how media operates. You are staggeringly incompetent. I assume the reason is because you yourself are a media outlet in today’s world that allows the learning-impaired a platform far above what they’d be allowed years ago before technology gave you one for basically free.

 

[Dax777]

Of the two who spreads conspiracy theories and has praised the journalist qualities of Alex Jones?

There is your answer.

They both spread conspiracy theories.

It's unlikely Maddow will praise Alex Jones. But I'm sure we could find a loony leftist that Maddow has equally praised.

So... No, you haven't answered a damn thing.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They both spread conspiracy theories.

It's unlikely Maddow will praise Alex Jones. But I'm sure we could find a loony leftist that Maddow has equally praised.

So... No, you haven't answered a damn thing.

Got any evidence of both claims?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

@Dax777
You seem to equate Rachel Maddow's broadcasts with those of Tucker Carlson, in terms of factual content and - correct me if I'm wrong - equal in spreading disinformation that may lead to public harm.

If so, it's readily apparent you're wrong on both accounts - especially the later - Tucker is insidious - Rachel is at times overzealous.

In an attempt to gauge the truthfulness of Maddow versus Carlson I found a website that may help: https://www.politifact.com

According to the site, its goal is to simply publish the truth. How reliable they are - beats me. But the goal is laudable.

So how do they rate Maddow and Carlson?

PolitiFact | Rachel Maddow

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Interesting stats - which bear out what most us here on the Bluemoon Politics subforum have been posting all along. Rachel has a good truthfulness score on facts checked by politifact (bear in mind that fact checking is going to be limited to controversial statements) whereas Tucker's record of truthfulness is abysmal.

By way of comparison, some other prominent US politicians as rated by politifact:

Republicans

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Ted Cruz

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elon-musk/ (Yes, he's a Republican)

Libertarians:

PolitiFact | Rand Paul

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Democrats:

PolitiFact | Joe Biden

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Nancy Pelosi

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Undeclared:

PolitiFact | Bill Gates

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Fox Personalities and Ex-Personalities:

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Bill O'Reilly

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Sean Hannity

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

One can't draw direct conclusions from the politifact truth/falsehood summaries - again, only controversial statements are going to be checked. Nonetheless, I think that these summaries are a guide into a politician's veracity - a deep dive into actual facts found to be inaccurate is required to form a better picture.

Tucker and Fox are simply in the business of Demagoguery - drip feeding palatable mistruths to an addicted audience. And unfortunately, Tucker and Fox by-in-large aren't lying about items of little consequence - rather they are all in on Big Lies - lies, which if believed, will massively impact life in the United States and in some cases mankind at large.

 

[Dax777]

Got any evidence of both claims?

Russia Collusion and Trump being a puppet President is an obvious one.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

They both spread conspiracy theories.

It's unlikely Maddow will praise Alex Jones. But I'm sure we could find a loony leftist that Maddow has equally praised.

So... No, you haven't answered a damn thing.

I'm not entirely sure even you believe that statement otherwise you'd have posted 'evidence'.

 

[Dax777]

@Dax777
You seem to equate Rachel Maddow's broadcasts with those of Tucker Carlson, in terms of factual content and - correct me if I'm wrong - equal in spreading disinformation that may lead to public harm.

If so, it's readily apparent you're wrong on both accounts - especially the later - Tucker is insidious - Rachel is at times overzealous.

In an attempt to gauge the truthfulness of Maddow versus Carlson I found a website that may help: https://www.politifact.com

According to the site, its goal is to simply publish the truth. How reliable they are - beats me. But the goal is laudable.

So how do they rate Maddow and Carlson?

PolitiFact | Rachel Maddow

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Interesting stats - which bear out what most us here on the Bluemoon Politics subforum have been posting all along. Rachel has a good truthfulness score on facts checked by politifact (bear in mind that fact checking is going to be limited to controversial statements) whereas Tucker's record of truthfulness is abysmal.

By way of comparison, some other prominent US politicians as rated by politifact:

Republicans

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Ted Cruz

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elon-musk/ (Yes, he's a Republican)

Libertarians:

PolitiFact | Rand Paul

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Democrats:

PolitiFact | Joe Biden

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Nancy Pelosi

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Undeclared:

PolitiFact | Bill Gates

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

Fox Personalities and Ex-Personalities:

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Bill O'Reilly

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

PolitiFact | Sean Hannity

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

One can't draw direct conclusions from the politifact truth/falsehood summaries - again, only controversial statements are going to be checked. Nonetheless, I think that these summaries are a guide into a politician's veracity - a deep dive into actual facts found to be inaccurate is required to form a better picture.

Tucker and Fox are simply in the business of Demagoguery - drip feeding palatable mistruths to an addicted audience. And unfortunately, Tucker and Fox by-in-large aren't lying about items of little consequence - rather they are all in on Big Lies - lies, which if believed, will massively impact life in the United States and in some cases mankind at large.

I guess you are just going to walk away from your original question a few pages ago and pretend it wasn't answered?

This is what bad faith responses look like.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Russia Collusion and Trump being a puppet President is an obvious one.

Which bits of the Russia collusion story have been proved wrong?

 

[Dax777]

I'm not entirely sure even you believe that statement.

I meant 'also' praised. As I truly don't know how Tucker Carlson did praise Alex Jones exactly. Fode didn't provide the evidence. I'm sure it was on some episode.

But I'm sure Maddow has praised leftist that many conservatives would find unacceptable. So to me that's comparable.