US Politics Thread

[idahoblues]

Ok mate. It’s not changed anything. Women are grumpy for no reason. They’re probably on their period or something.

Same sex marriage will be next.

Its ok though. You’re making your country “better”.

Funnily enough what about inter racial marriage?
I wonder where Roberts stands on that

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Didn't see that. Abortions should never be used as a form of contraception. That is morally so wrong. I would have to question why somebody with a modicum of Intelligence would even suggest that is acceptable.

What abortion isn’t a form of contraception?

“Morally wrong” says you. Others might and do feel differently.

 

[Dax777]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but for the right wing thinking "a broken clock is correct twice a day" applies in some cases. VERY very few, mind.

Perhaps.

As for Black issues, like every other issue, there's blurring. The only thing I agree with is that the Dem party don't serve the Black cause very well with its "well meaning" intentions offering platitudes than actual policy.

You required of women a level of self responsibility. I.e. You argued that women having sex should take responsibility for their actions, seeing as their are 20 different ways to prevent pregnancy under conditions of consent.

Should the same 'take responsibility' not apply to black people when it comes to interactions with cops?

You cant be all for taking responsibility when it comes to women and sex, but not taking responsibility when it comes to police interaction. Seeing as over 95% of police interaction with blacks people that turned deadly almost always included a failure to comply with directives from the law enforcement officer.

You can't ask women to take responsibility on one issue, while requiring no such from black men.

I mean you can do whatever you want, but that struck me as odd!

As a whole, though, you're pretty much wrong for me, but that's fine.

Fair enough. I generally feel the same way about your views on most issues.

 

[55yr old teenager]

What abortion isn’t a form of contraception?

“Morally wrong” says you. Others might and do feel differently.

So you think it's perfectly acceptable to have multiple abortions? As a one off I have no problem with that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So you think it's perfectly acceptable to have multiple abortions? As a one off I have no problem with that.

Who makes you the moral arbiter of what a woman does and what qualifications do you have?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The rest of the first world disagrees with what exactly?

For the record, Overturning Roe v. Wade did not ban abortion.

And you are right, the ruling was about the abuse of power. The 5 Justices concluded that 9 Justices in 1972 overstepped their Judicial powers by creating a law they had no business creating. I agree with them. And here is the kicker. Almost no one disagrees with them. Not even the dissenting Justices. Such laws should have been made by a legislature elected by the people. Not 9 unelected men.

As you put it, like other 'First World nations', the U.S. should reach it's pro-abortion stance like everyone else. At the ballot!

What exactly is the law that Roe v Wade made?

None. Roe v Wade was an interpretation of the Constitution. The court doesn’t make laws — its interpretations of the Constitution have effects on laws. Dobbs suggests that interpretation was incorrect, because there is no direct reference in the Constitution (which is Federal) to abortion; hence, the States decide the law for themselves.

However, as you already know, it contradicts the principle of stare decisis, which effectively means any and all interpretations of the Constitution by previous courts going back to its founding are now up for potential revision by this court. There are very, very specific reasons as to why stare decisis matters and when and how it can be circumvented, none of which nearly ever apply in any case in which the removal of a right is at issue vs. the providing of additional rights.

For about the 27th time, that’s the MOST important thing here, by far. This isn’t even political. No American of any political stripe should want this. The fucking Brennan court weakened SD too. That you don’t give a fuck even while knowing this because you’d rather “own the libs” is just repugnant.

 

[Dax777]

Ok mate. It’s not changed anything. Women are grumpy for no reason. They’re probably on their period or something.

Same sex marriage will be next.

Its ok though. You’re making your country “better”.

This is a Straw man. But anyway, the exchange was a pleasure.

 

[55yr old teenager]

Who makes you the moral arbiter of what a woman does and what qualifications do you have?

What qualifications are looking for? I'm a retired nurse. I am female. I have never been in the awful situation of having to have an abortion. I'm sure for 99% of women it's a heart breaking decision for them, which some spend a lifetime regretting, but they did what they thought to the correct thing to do at that time In their life. I have every sympathy with them having had friends go through this and seen the emotional turmoil and toll it takes on them. I am nobodies moral arbitrator. But I do disagree with women who do to some degree use abortion as a form of contraception.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

This is a Straw man. But anyway, the exchange was a pleasure.

You’ve not made a salient post and you are stuck on defending an indefensible restriction on female rights in the 21st Century for religious/outdated constitution*

*delete as appropriate.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So what is the point in discussing your point outside a 'Roe vs Wade' issue?

It’s not an outside Roe v Wade issue. But if you only use USA you get a false picture.

It is like using only strict v Lax gun states to discuss correlation between guns and violence, when using countries with no guns makes the point more clearly.

Republicans cut funding for contraceptive treatment in a country with expensive private medicine and abortions go up.

Abortion should be on demand rather than having to jump through unnecessary hoops (e. g. Listening to heartbeat) to satisfy the religious right.