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BayernMan said:


More proof Trump isn’t an aberration…
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I'm confused... is Nazi in this instance shorthand for a specific group of Nazis based in Maine? It seems from the context like it must be. Rather than you know... Nazis in general.

Because asking "what did this specific group of people, who happen to be Nazis, do that was illegal" while still a troubling line of enquiry is quite different to "what have Nazis ever done which is illegal."

Either way, the fact I'm even asking these kinds of questions to understand the degree of fucking lunacy is probably evidence enough that we're far beyond the looking glass.
 
BayernMan said:


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She is unfortunately well known here for being a far-right nutter who apparently has indirect ties to a white nationalist group in southern Maine.

She is a punchline in most circles but I have always contended that she and several others like her in the legislature need to be taken seriously, lest the state change political colours from purple to deep red, black, and white.

Unfortunately, when you get away from a few of the resort towns along the coast, Portland (largest metro), and Bangor (third largest metro), you find very conservative, sometimes far-right leaning voters. I have even seen confederate flags on houses and jacked trucks riding past, which is just farcical given the political heritage of Maine.

Even in places like Lewiston-Auburn, the second largest metro area in Maine as the two cities have grown in to one another (and her constituency), they are seeing a resurgence of white nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment. That is partly due to it being where a large portion of the refugees and immigrants from Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, DRC, Rwanda, and other sub-Saharan African nations have been resettled. Maine is notoriously anti-outsider to begin with, and is statistically the whitest and least diverse state in the US, so when you add non-white, non-Christian people to the calculus, it can get pretty horrid. The anti-Muslim component is especially problematic—and indicative of how insidious twisted far-right ideology can be—when you consider Maine is also one of the least religious states (of any creed or denomination).

Koniec said:
Genuinely speechless. They infringed on the rights of my people to exist you daft fxxing woman.
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SkyBlueFlux said:
I'm confused... is Nazi in this instance shorthand for a specific group of Nazis based in Maine? It seems from the context like it must be. Rather than you know... Nazis in general.

Because asking "what did this specific group of people, who happen to be Nazis, do that was illegal" while still a troubling line of enquiry is quite different to "what have Nazis ever done which is illegal."

Either way, the fact I'm even asking these kinds of questions to understand the degree of fucking lunacy is probably evidence enough that we're far beyond the looking glass.
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To put her comments in to specific context, she is referring to recent neo-Nazi and white nationalist rallies in Portland (as well as one in Lewiston-Auburn), at least one of which had them openly carrying assault rifles in the streets, and all included chants, placards, and banners expressing hate speech messages (which is not illegal here).

What makes her comments that much worse is the fact that Lewiston-Auburn is where the largest and most deadly mass shooting in Maine’s history recently took place (in late-October 2023).

She is essentially trying to make the bog standard far-right argument of “it is our right under the first amendment to advocate for hate and the marginalisation (or worse) of non-WASP people and our right under the second amendment to intimidate people by openly carrying guns whilst doing so.”

These arguments are the very embodiment of Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I'm confused... is Nazi in this instance shorthand for a specific group of Nazis based in Maine? It seems from the context like it must be. Rather than you know... Nazis in general.

Because asking "what did this specific group of people, who happen to be Nazis, do that was illegal" while still a troubling line of enquiry is quite different to "what have Nazis ever done which is illegal."

Either way, the fact I'm even asking these kinds of questions to understand the degree of fucking lunacy is probably evidence enough that we're far beyond the looking glass.
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She's gutted the Blues Brothers didn't perform in front of her own states Nazis.
 
SebastianBlue said:
She is essentially trying to make the bog standard far-right argument of “it is our right under the first amendment to advocate for hate and the marginalisation (or worse) of non-WASP people and our right under the second amendment to intimidate people by openly carrying guns whilst doing so.”
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And yet Americans still believe their constitution isn’t wildly out of date.
 
SWP's back said:
And yet Americans still believe their constitution isn’t wildly out of date.
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To be fair, likely more than half of Americans think it is out-of-date.

Unfortunately—and ironically—the constitution makes it functionally nigh on impossible for that majority to have it amended at this point.
 
SebastianBlue said:
To be fair, likely more than half of Americans think it is out-of-date.

Unfortunately—and ironically—the constitution makes it functionally nigh on impossible for that majority to have it amended at this point.
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Britain’s Common Law constitution is much easier to keep up to date. The Supreme Court did exactly that in Boris’ parliamentary prorogation case.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
No, but the US hasn’t had three Presidents since the last presidential election.
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You could say that's a flaw or you could say it's the system working better. Boris and Truss doing absolutely batshit things and then getting replaced as a consequence, even when their parties had large majorities.

Trump wasn't successfully impeached despite doing clearly illegally things in office on multiple occasions.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
You could say that's a flaw or you could say it's the system working better. Boris and Truss doing absolutely batshit things and then getting replaced as a consequence, even when their parties had large majorities.

Trump wasn't successfully impeached despite doing clearly illegally things in office on multiple occasions.
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‘Boris’ ffs. Is he your mate?

Truss was the beneficiary of Johnson’s batshittery. I have a frog in my back garden that would make a better PM. If you think that’s an exemplar of the ‘system working better’ then you don’t have a very high bar!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
‘Boris’ ffs. Is he your mate?

Truss was the beneficiary of Johnson’s batshittery. I have a frog in my back garden that would make a better PM. If you think that’s an exemplar of the ‘system working better’ then you don’t have a very high bar!
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Relative to the USA. Not in general.
 
Trouble for Biden is that he is fighting on multiple fronts. Obviously Trump, but also Kennedy and his idiotic fuelling the 1/6 riots theory and his “Biden is a worse threat to Democracy than Trump”. Netanyahu isn’t helping with Gaza and Iran. Then you have the Afghanistan inquiry in the House stirred up by the Republicans. Not to mention the MAGA cult. Russia chipping in of course. Just seems never ending. The only thing he seems to have on his side is time for some of this shit to sort itself out!!
 
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