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SebastianBlue said:
Again, you post lies and expect to get away with it.

I know you’ll never acknowledge that you are wrong, so I am posting this for the benefit of others that may be reading your Trumpesque nonsense.

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Got it. He was a member who later apologized. So I guess it's all good. Such a forgiving people you are.

"Byrd later renounced his membership to the organization,"

Again, where is the lie. He wasnt some young minded child who got roped into some bad things.

He organized men for this purpose. Joined politics at the behest and the support of his regional Racist in Chief.

But hey, let's erase all that with a milktoast " he later renounced his membership and felt bad." I'm sure all the black people he helped abuse and possibly murder are all happy with it.

Again, it only a 'left minded' person that can find the absence of racism in that. Laughable.
 
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jimharri said:
There does seem to be an obsession on here about US politics. Over 1750 pages, and counting.

By the way; back pages are generally about sport!
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That ‘obsession’ pleases me. US politics at the mo is incredibly important to UK and the whole of the western world, so sharp is the divide between Trump’s Maga cult and the Democrats.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
www.vox.com

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.
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This doesn’t even have him repeatedly referring to Letitia James as “peekaboo”. Probably the most overtly racist thing he does, despite the competition.

Like… he might as well just come out calling her the N word with a hard R at that point. He’s literally just taking a slur and swapping letters out.

It’s like somebody calling a person from China a “jinky” and thinking it’s all fine because at least they’re being inventive with their very direct racism.
 
Kamala supporting the college atheletes at the white house , she is very good , i think she can win against the orange racist
 
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Vic said:
Now, are you knowingly repeating the debunked falsehood that Byrd was a KKK Grand Wizard? He was in the KKK in his 20s. He regretted it, served in the Senate for decades and was a "mentor" to many others. President Biden spoke at his memorial and said,

Of course, Robert Byrd was a deeply religious man, a Christian. And so he understood that our lives are marked by sins as well as virtues, failures as well as success, weakness as well as strength. We know there are things he said -- and things he did -- that he came to regret. I remember talking about that the first time I visited with him. He said, “There are things I regretted in my youth. You may know that.” And I said, “None of us are absent some regrets, Senator. That’s why we enjoy and seek the grace of God.”

Now, do you accept that what you posted was just wrong?
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Can we just acknowledge how insane this conversation is?

Dax hates Biden and brands him as a racist because a man he worked under 40 years ago, a man who was born in 1917 and died 15 years ago was a reformed racist.


So he’s instead supporting an openly racist candidate.


It’s all bullshit. He doesn’t give a fuck about racism, because if he did, he’d die before voting for Donald Trump.
 
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Dax777 said:
Got it. He was a member who later apologized. So I guess it's all good. Such a forgiving people you are.

"Byrd later renounced his membership to the organization,"

Again, where is the lie. He wasnt some young minded child who got roped into some bad things.

He organized men for this purpose. Joined politics at the behest and the support of his regional Racist in Chief.

But hey, let's erase all that with a milktoast " he later renounced his membership and felt bad." I'm sure all the black people he helped abuse and possibly murder are all happy with it.

Again, it only a 'left minded' person that can find the absence of racism in that. Laughable.
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This is the most intellectually dishonest post you have made in some time, and that is saying something.

You posted long debunked nonsense, were called out for it, and then responded by shouting “that’s lefty fact-checking” and then proceeded to say someone who renounced his membership in the KKK and said many times he deeply regretted his involvement, is somehow the same as David Duke. As if no one can ever change their views and try to make things right.

David Duke, for anyone still following along, is still a fervent white nationalist and ACTUAL former Grand Wizard of the KKK, who is a longtime ally of Donald Trump and to this day makes the claim that he and his white nationalist lunatics were the primary reason Trump won the presidency in 2016.

To be clear: Byrd and Duke are not in anyway the same.
 
Dax777 said:
And here are the ones who think they are on the right side.

No one tried to murder the Vice President or leading Democrat.

No police officer was murdered on October 6th.

Should we now recognize you as a dishonest, despicable piece of shit who endorsed a rapist Biden? Or does that only apply in one direction?

Calling October 6th s legitimate objections is simply a difference in opinion. There was no intent to murder anyone. Most of those who have been convicted entered the premises peacefully.

Only 1 person died on October 6th. A protestor who was shot by a trigger happy cop. There were zero cops killed by protesters. Zero.

Stacy Abrams denied multiple election results in Georgia, but this never stopped her from being a rockstar analyst on MSNBC. I guess denying election is only bad sometimes.

As for Micheal Steele, he was there before it became a loony pit like this place. And there is little about Steele that's conservative or Republican. What's next Anna Navarro and Joe Scarborough?

MSNBC is where sold out Republicans go to make money sounding like far left Democrat.


There are no conservatives on MSNBC. Leftists, and losers who have sold their soul attacking everything they stood for when they were actual politicians for money and likes.

That's MSNBC...
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On the planet you live on ... does October replace January ?
 
domalino said:
Here’s the lie for you -



See that, that sentence right there? It’s you lying, again.
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I and a few others have already shown he lied but he’ll never admit. His response is to say it is just “that’s lefty fact checking” and that Byrd and Duke are the same, and so Biden and Trump are the same.

He is beyond reason at this point. I am disengaging with him (again).
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
That’s really interesting, as from an international perspective he is the guy in the US government who comes across as serious, intelligent and capable. Particularly in the way he’s managed the Ukraine and Gaza situations.

To international observers US politics is frankly quite absurd (and I say this as a Brit, we’ve had our own problems). Blinken - a bit like Kier Starmer I guess - seems like the quiet clever “grown up in the room”.

I’d have him over Trump, Biden or Harris anyway.
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I can’t, and wouldn’t, argue with your assessment of Blinken on the world stage, but he’s not a retail politician or seemingly a Beltway deal maker.

He’d make a great authoritarian leader, because he seems smart, but without malice, but being President in the US is about managing the externals from the Oval (Blinken would be great!) but managing the internals on Capitol Hill and on TV (Blinken appears to not be great at all!).

I would bet your a dime to a dollar that 90% of “on the street” Americans could not name Blinken if you showed them a picture (recall) or even find him in a line-up (recognition)! That’d make an election difficult.
 
Is the definition of “echo chamber” a place where liars get called out by others on their lies and then go away until everyone forgot they lied and then come back after a while and lie again and the process repeats?

Is that the “echo”?

I like echo chambers then.

Anyway I don’t think Dax is a liar — he’s just a parrot who has been conservative his whole life and as such cannot bear to confront the fact that his party has become an enslaved cult to a dumbfuck amoral grifter.

It’s like what happens when you confront a “literal Biblical truth” evangelical with facts that disprove the Bible. They don’t know where to go with it because then they have to tear down the entire belief structure they’ve built their life on. Very tough task. Very emotional task. Like finding out your spouse cheated on you.

So it’s easier to live with the cognitive dissonance and put up a “whataboutery” front.

It’s also common for folks like this to feel so fucking sorry for themselves they can’t help but reach out with global tropes — “Everyone is against me here”; “You’re all a bunch of shills”; “You don’t tolerate other views”; “This is an echo chamber.”

Which conveniently brings us full circle.
 
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Dax777 said:
No..I want what a leftist defines as a racist to be President
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There was an investigation into the idiot, early in his presidency, by a man, whose name escapes me, that concluded that he is racist.

I clearly remember watching him say it on the news.

There was also the Central Park Jogger case, in which five young black men were accused of assaulting and raping a young woman.

Trump paid for full-page adverts in four newspapers, calling for the return of the death penalty. Even after they were eventually exonerated, he never apologised.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Is the definition of “echo chamber” a place where liars get called out by others on their lies and then go away until everyone forgot they lied and then come back after a while and lie again and the process repeats?

Is that the “echo”?

I like echo chambers then.
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I find the accusations that this forum is an echo chamber quite funny personally.

If that were actually the case there would be no arguments. This place is non-stop arguments. It is, quite literally, entirely made up of people arguing. Even the people who agree are discussing their various shades of disagreement.

There’d also surely be a lack of people to highlight that it is an echo chamber. Demonstrably this is not the case as somebody seems to drone on about it every day.

What these people are actually saying is “I wish more people agreed with me.” If you went to an astronomy convention claiming the earth was flat you might experience a similar feeling.

If you go into an echo chamber then that echo chamber might disagree with you. But that doesn’t mean every group of people that disagrees with you is an echo chamber. Pretty obvious logical fallacy.
 
The root cause of Trump imo is 2 things.

1. George W Bush being voted in. His lawyers and his hawks going amuck creating the fear, hatred, cheated system and low standards ever since. No longer was it required to be Presidential.

2. 911 and the 2nd Iraq War. More fear. More hatred. More low standards. And on top of that more flag waving and "fuck yaehs". No longer was the US welcoming of anyone willing to work.

If only Gore had won that election. Or Kerry or McCain got in later. In fact I wonder if, given that GWB seems a genuine enough nice guy as far as pampered millionaires go, had he a crystal ball would he have not run in the first place. Would he have put his country before his ambition?

Oh ya and Republicans are cunts!!!!
 
Dax777 said:
Happy to be bring some balance to the lunacy that's Bluemoon's US politics thread.

I know you assholes do your best to hound our any opposing view.

You are like MSNBC who couldn't handle and ex-Republican chair being hired as an analyst. God forbid she has a different opinion.

Same here.
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Who am I at MSNBC?

I'd like to be inside Jen Psaki.
 
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kaz7 said:
Things seem to be moving quickly to support kamela, but why is obama yet to endorse her ? Curious
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Like Pelosi I think he feels like he's cheating on his Bro Biden by coming out so early. Probably just needs a couple of weeks to honour his buddy then you'll see him up front at rallies with his wife behind Harris.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I agree with what youre saying wholeheartedly. That was a reach for them. They wont reach that widely again and in any case they are MAGA now, and without the pun that trumps anything else progessive
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Again, and not necessarily directed at you specifically, who is this “they” of which you speak?

There are 330,000,000+ Americans. Do you know how many MAGAts that is? Or even how many Americans vote? Or, how, even when Trump won, he did so with the slimmest of Electoral College votes, and a minority of the individual votes cast…by millions?!!

MAGA is a distinctly minority cult, with outsized coverage, because they show up at his rallies in their red hats and “patriotic” uniforms. They cry when he speaks, chant “USA! USA! USA!” and now even wear big white bandages on their right ears!

Do you think they’d guzzle down a few cups of Trump Kool Aid without even blinking???

Sadly, America has a few factions that Trump has tapped into:

1) Racists; some of them overt, but many of them covert

2) Christians, esp those who believe the Democrats are evil

3) Nationalists, who think America is somehow a special place that is better than anywhere else in the world and should be kept “clean” of outside influences and peoples

4) Isolationists, who have been made to believe a dollar spent overseas on “shithole countries” or countries that should fend for, and defend, themselves are bleeding America dry of money that should be used at home to help make America great again!

5) Followers, who are so weak and feeble-minded, or simply so unintelligent, they will follow any charismatic that appeals to one or more of their triggers…or others they see supporting the trappings of what they think America stands for (see 1-4 above)

THAT^^^^ is NOT the majority of Americans! Or, more precisely, hasn't been so far in the elections that have taken place to date.

It is naive to ascribe such generalizations to a nation simply because some faction is somehow stealing all the media oxygen.
 
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