US Politics Thread

west didsblue said:
Sometimes, when people's views are so clearly ridiculous or offensive, it gives them credibility and legitimacy when they are treated in the same way as an opposing political view. That's why flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, Trumpers and Covid deniers deserve to be ridiculed rather than reasoned with. A Venn diagram of the those 4 categories would likely be concentric circles.
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You left out the DUP.
 
mat said:
"The GOP can't live with or without Trump. If they disown him he splits the party. If they keep him he destroys the party."
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I'm not sure he would ever run as an independent.

He would want to out of spite. But he would also know that the outcome is s a guaranteed sizeable defeat. And he is not going to want that.

And coming back to spite. I think he will just apply massive pressure on Ron to quit. And if he doesn't wuit Trump will just make a shit show of the process. Refuse to do any debates and just insist his followers vote for him and if he doesn't win tell them to quit and not vote for anyone. He doesn't need to run as an independent to tear the whole thing down. He will go a long way to doing that over the next year. It's pretty much all on fox news / murdoch and how they play it.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yes, fine but all I've seen is abuse and hate which is pretty much the same force that drives maga - hence my comment re baying mob. You are bright enough to pull this blokes ideas apart rather than just abuse him I'm sure. Not a pop at you personally btw, just general comment on the tone of a couple of politics threads that start out as actual debate and then evolve into something quite different. Maybe not a concern - this is a football forum and not the house of commons after all, but the football- isation of the debate is weird.
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What are his "ideas"? That's the whole point. Neither of the posters most recently under consideration have offered any. No platform. No suggested solutions to problems. What the hell is the counter argument to "Fetterman is a vegetable"? What's the counter argument to a meme that suggests Biden sniffs children? Neither of these "started out as actual debate". On the other hand, some of us have gotten into discussions about guns and gun control or wealth redistribution with other posters with whom we disagree, and the conversations have been heated and periodically intense as we press our positions, but generally civil.

Perhaps you should be addressing the posters in question, rather than the majority here.
 
Gaudion M said:
I'm not sure he would ever run as an independent.

He would want to out of spite. But he would also know that the outcome is s a guaranteed sizeable defeat. And he is not going to want that.

And coming back to spite. I think he will just apply massive pressure on Ron to quit. And if he doesn't wuit Trump will just make a shit show of the process. Refuse to do any debates and just insist his followers vote for him and if he doesn't win tell them to quit and not vote for anyone. He doesn't need to run as an independent to tear the whole thing down. He will go a long way to doing that over the next year. It's pretty much all on fox news / murdoch and how they play it.
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It's a fair point that he wouldn't want to lose, although if somehow he thought he could actually win as an independent (as I think Teddy Roosevelt, George Wallace and H. Ross Perot all believed for a time), that might encourage him, deluded or not. It's also a fair point that he can get "revenge" on "deserters" by doing exactly what you suggest. But I also think he thinks running protects him from prosecution -- he thinks it might look like the suppression of a political rival by the apparatus of government if he's a candidate and he's indicted for acts committed while in office. And indeed when Nixon was under pressure to resign, none of his inner circle suggested it to him for fear of that being seen as a quiet coup d'etat. His lawyers and advisors wanted him to reach the conclusion that resignation was the best decision on his own.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It's a fair point that he wouldn't want to lose, although if somehow he thought he could actually win as an independent (as I think Teddy Roosevelt, George Wallace and H. Ross Perot all believed for a time), that might encourage him, deluded or not. It's also a fair point that he can get "revenge" on "deserters" by doing exactly what you suggest. But I also think he thinks running protects him from prosecution -- he thinks it might look like the suppression of a political rival by the apparatus of government if he's a candidate and he's indicted for acts committed while in office. And indeed when Nixon was under pressure to resign, none of his inner circle suggested it to him for fear of that being seen as a quiet coup d'etat. His lawyers and advisors wanted him to reach the conclusion that resignation was the best decision on his own.
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Some interesting thoughts. Who knows what he really thinks and how much strategic thinking goes on on his brain at all. Do other people's words just bounce around in his head?

Running protects him to some extent but it also creates the requirement to fund raise and disclose the details in line with campaign laws. That interferes with his grift operation where its easier for him to misappropriate the funds. Whatever he decides its going to be a very different and challenging few years leading into the next election. He might get a but of a shock.
 
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