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[Mr Kobayashi]

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The email states: “I would like to have your authorisation to get a classified briefing tomorrow from [the Office of the Director of National Intelligence] led by DNI [John] Radcliffe [sic] on foreign election interference issues ... hackers have evidence (in the public domain) that a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China. ODNI may have additional classified evidence.”

 

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The email states: “I would like to have your authorisation to get a classified briefing tomorrow from [the Office of the Director of National Intelligence] led by DNI [John] Radcliffe [sic] on foreign election interference issues ... hackers have evidence (in the public domain) that a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China. ODNI may have additional classified evidence.”

They’re absolutely off their tits.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Anyway, love it when a politician is called out:

Do you actually know who this guy is?

Enter the Grayzone: fringe leftists deny the scale of China’s Uyghur oppression - Coda Story

This week, writer and commentator Max Blumenthal downplayed Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang on international TV — and he’s not the only one

www.codastory.com

Almost Spiritual successor to Malcolm Caldwell (defender of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge)... almost because I'm not entirely sure the arsehole believes anything he is peddling. Arguably he is much worse because of his lack of sincerity.

Malcolm Caldwell - Wikipedia

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[ChicagoBlue]

He's just f*cking weird.

No wonder his neighbour punched him in the face.

The acorn didn’t fall far from the tree.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This is a very good thread. I don’t agree with every little thing, and there are some thoughtful criticisms in the responses, but the gist is right when referring to trade-offs of policy vs. global solutions.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

This is a very good thread. I don’t agree with every little thing, and there are some thoughtful criticisms in the responses, but the gist is right when referring to trade-offs of policy vs. global solutions.

US politics, right now, are not, IMO, about conservative versus liberal ideas.

Rather - it's that conservatives - even independent conservatives such as Rand Paul - no longer espouse policies based on scientific findings and expert opinion (well, I should amend this to state that there are notable exceptions such as George Bush, Adam Kinzinger, and so forth - but such voices are in the minority, having mostly been drowned out by populist opinion). Instead, conservatives somehow believe that science is wrong and experts don't know what they're talking about and it's OK - indeed it's preferable - to act contrary to expert opinion on numerous matters (e.g., climate change, vaccination, mask wearing, voter fraud, and so on).

Worse still, the Republican Party is a cult of personality beholden to Trump; Trump will do anything to win and cares little for Democracy. I suppose it's a minority of the Republican Party - but a significant minority nonetheless - who are basically fascist.
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Although liberals may be too idealistic in some of their proposals, failing, perhaps to consider trade-offs - as a matter of personal concern - and perhaps are too hesitant to compromise - this is nearly inconsequential, at least for me.

When conservatives no longer base their politics on fact and some subset of whom no longer even believe in Democracy - there are far larger problems in need of attention.

 

[Bigga]

Do you actually know who this guy is?

Enter the Grayzone: fringe leftists deny the scale of China’s Uyghur oppression - Coda Story

This week, writer and commentator Max Blumenthal downplayed Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang on international TV — and he’s not the only one

www.codastory.com

Almost Spiritual successor to Malcolm Caldwell (defender of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge)... almost because I'm not entirely sure the arsehole believes anything he is peddling. Arguably he is much worse because of his lack of sincerity.

Malcolm Caldwell - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I know EXACTLY who he is. I, also, know that 'The Grayzone' tried to get taken down and closed via lawsuit and won their case.

The real question you keep avoiding, such is a regular habit with your friends, is why you're okay with taxpayer money not being spent on the taxpayer?

He points this out clearly and you skip past it to focus on unrelated matters other than the point being made. Yet again applauded by the disingenuous on here.

And people on here wonder why dialogue has been stunted...?

 

[Bigga]

And let me put this straight for the people that can't read/ watch the video the article; MB did NOT deny anything, he wanted better proof rather than extrapolation based on a few voices. You can't evidence 'millions of people' suffering based on a few voices.

I think that's common sense for most.

Do you believe he denies Palestinian oppression when there's ACTUAL hard evidence of such?

What he does tie in is the often reason for the US to stoke up a battle with China.

Is this in denial?

What's with the lack of vertebrae on here...??

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

And let me put this straight for the people that can't read/ watch the video the article; MB did NOT deny anything, he wanted better proof rather than extrapolation based on a few voices. You can't evidence 'millions of people' suffering based on a few voices.

I think that's common sense for most.

Do you believe he denies Palestinian oppression when there's ACTUAL hard evidence of such?

What he does tie in is the often reason for the US to stoke up a battle with China.

Is this in denial?

What's with the lack of vertebrae on here...??

There was evidence published by various sources before he even made those comments. What he did was pick what seemed the most reasonable position to take in defending China. He has appeared several times on Chinese news spouting the party line.



I assume you have seen him using his same shouty crank tactics on Cori Bush.

Just another infotainment grifter.

I'm not surprised you have been fooled by someone like him, but I can't help but feel pity for you.

 

[Bigga]

There was evidence published by various sources before he even made those comments. What he did was pick what seemed the most reasonable position to take in defending China. He has appeared several times on Chinese news spouting the party line.



I assume you have seen him using his same shouty crank tactics on Cori Bush.

Just another infotainment grifter.

I'm not surprised you have been fooled by someone like him, but I can't help but feel pity for you.

And I feel pity for someone who thinks that supporting Palestinian people over Israeli gov state terrorism equates to him being a Chinese apologist. Does this compute in your head?

And Mr Spineless, so you STILL have avoided my first post and jumped straight to the second one.

What is your problem, for the second time, about denying the taxpayer their own funds to help those in need closer to home? Why would the taxpayer want their money funding wars overseas when they are struggling at home?

Where's your argument on that?

I think your stance is disgusting.

 

[Bigga]

Still waiting...

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I don't know who is more deranged, the idiot saying it or the idiots lapping it up?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

And I feel pity for someone who thinks that supporting Palestinian people over Israeli gov state terrorism equates to him being a Chinese apologist. Does this compute in your head?

And Mr Spineless, so you STILL have avoided my first post and jumped straight to the second one.

What is your problem, for the second time, about denying the taxpayer their own funds to help those in need closer to home? Why would the taxpayer want their money funding wars overseas when they are struggling at home?

Where's your argument on that?

I think your stance is disgusting.

You are just making stuff up now.

The article I linked mentions Israel and Palestine once (only to give a background on MB) and doesn't say anything like what you are claiming.

Blumenthal began his career as part of the more mainstream left. The son of Sidney Blumenthal, a former aide to President Bill Clinton, he has written for The New York Times, The Nation and The Daily Beast on subjects ranging from Sarah Palin’s 2008 vice-presidential campaign to the Arab-Israeli conflict. He has also published a number of books, two of which are based on his experiences in Palestine.

You should read more.

As I said: Crank

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It’s childish rhetoric, obviously it would be nice if all military spending could be directed into housing, medical care and improving people's lives. But unfortunately that's not how the real world works.

 

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[Bigga]

You are just making stuff up now.

The article I linked mentions Israel and Palestine once (only to give a background on MB) and doesn't say anything like what you are claiming.




You should read more.

As I said: Crank

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It’s childish rhetoric, obviously it would be nice if all military spending could be directed into housing, medical care and improving people's lives. But unfortunately that's not how the real world works.

I'll ignore the rest of the stupidity on Palestine cos you're out of your depth.

What I will say is a politician is a politician and you can ask them whatever you want as civilian paying their job. That includes Cori Bush or Adam Schiff.

The 'real world' you accept is funding and bloating an army/ war for occupation whilst people struggle with homelessness, healthcare, rent and wages.

This is a 'real world' created by monied interests hypnotising parrots who don't question anything, such as yourself. And I'm the 'crank'?

Jog on, son.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'll ignore the rest of the stupidity on Palestine cos you're out of your depth.

What I will say is a politician is a politician and you can ask them whatever you want as civilian paying their job. That includes Cori Bush or Adam Schiff.

The 'real world' you accept is funding and bloating an army/ war for occupation whilst people struggle with homelessness, healthcare, rent and wages.

This is a 'real world' created by monied interests hypnotising parrots who don't question anything, such as yourself. And I'm the 'crank'?

Jog on, son.

Out of my depth. You claimed something that wasn't backed up at all. I have quoted you all references to Israel and Palestine in that article, which contradicts everything you claim.

Summarising the what the article says it boils down to "MB used to be more mainstream and covered israel-Palestine, now he takes contrary positions in support of evil regimes".

There is a simple reason why Americans don't get all that nice stuff- because they don't pay enough taxes. Go look it up and compare them against European countries with welfare states, their spending as proportion of national income is far below where it ought to be.

In order to get those things there has to be a rejigging of the political economy of the USA. Something I'd actually be supportive of, but it is nowhere near as simple as you make out.

It’s more complicated than barking these buzzwords at a politician who has organised one progessive move, about completely unrelated things she has no responsibility for.

But I bet the infotainment crowd lap it up and cheer with glee.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Remember many pages back when folk were talking about 'checks and balaces' and how nothing like what happened in 1930's Germany could ever happen in the USA?

Remember that?

Perilously close!!!

But both parties are the same, right?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Remember many pages back when folk were talking about 'checks and balaces' and how nothing like what happened in 1930's Germany could ever happen in the USA?

Remember that?

Perilously close!!!

But both parties are the same, right?

I mean “close” is relative. There would have been no support from the core higher ups in the military. Clearly none in the deeper bureaucracy. There would have been mass protests, walk-outs, all over the nation and in the blue states especially. And Donald Trump is intellectually deficient and an incredible coward so it could never have been managed. Look what the bulk of his “revolutionaries” did — they took selfies to “own the libs” like the fucking idiots (albeit in some cases violent and dangerous fucking idiots) they are. Not arguing it wasn’t as close as we’ve come, but beyond a declarative statement of who is in charge, effecting a permanent transition wasn’t really going to happen IMO.

 

[Bigga]

Out of my depth. You claimed something that wasn't backed up at all. I have quoted you all references to Israel and Palestine in that article, which contradicts everything you claim.

Summarising the what the article says it boils down to "MB used to be more mainstream and covered israel-Palestine, now he takes contrary positions in support of evil regimes".

There is a simple reason why Americans don't get all that nice stuff- because they don't pay enough taxes. Go look it up and compare them against European countries with welfare states, their spending as proportion of national income is far below where it ought to be.

In order to get those things there has to be a rejigging of the political economy of the USA. Something I'd actually be supportive of, but it is nowhere near as simple as you make out.

It’s more complicated than barking these buzzwords at a politician who has organised one progessive move, about completely unrelated things she has no responsibility for.

But I bet the infotainment crowd lap it up and cheer with glee.

So, let's get this straight since you claim Blumenthal supports "evil regimes".

By your own reckoning and detective work, that puts him as pro-Israel gov, right?

Here's Lying Max's Film on Gaza...

If Schiff is not willing to answer basic questions about civilians under his ward, why the fuck is he in the job?

How does your brain compute US citizens not "paying enough taxes" and yet find their armies and police more funded by hundreds of millions and billionaire interests subsidised by billions...???

My goodness, your last vertebrae has corroded, finally...

I'm truly bored now.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So, let's get this straight since you claim Blumenthal supports "evil regimes".

By your own reckoning and detective work, that puts him as pro-Israel gov, right?

Here's Lying Max's Film on Gaza...

If Schiff is not willing to answer basic questions about civilians under his ward, why the fuck is he in the job?

How does your brain compute US citizens not "paying enough taxes" and yet find their armies and police more funded by hundreds of millions and billionaire interests subsidised by billions...???

My goodness, your last vertebrae has corroded, finally...

I'm truly bored now.

Gosh. Keep digging with this nonsense if you want. I didn't say anything about Israel-Palestine until you brought it up, the article didn't talk about it besides the quote I supplied for you. It's moronic you still want to go on about it.

Learn to read. You claimed I called you a crank, the other day you claimed I called you a grifter. I haven't, what I have done is call out the people that you quote on a regular basis. If you think associating yourself with Max Blumenthal makes you a crank, I'm not going to argue against you.

Maybe you might want to look up the reasons why America has such a vast military budget and how it is funded.

Even if you assume that you could easily direct funding away from the Department of defence towards housing and healthcare budgets, do you not contemplate that left-wing squad members and other Democrats might find themselves under attack from the big military firms and their lobbyists?

Schiff's constituency is in California, Max Blumenthal isn't there as a civilian asking questions, he is there as an agitator with an agenda. It's just bizarre that you think this kind of crankery is to be respected and admired.