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Bigga said:
Is there a problem with 'Russiagate' being being dismantled as an outright lie?
The Russians clearly preferred an erratic, far right Trump to a centrist Democrat in Hilary Clinton in the 2016 election. Ans Russia clearly engaged in massive online media campaigns to spread lies about Hilary and to sow discontent and spark partisan divide.

Is Bigga a paid Russian troll? This is a serious question. Because anyone actually believing in the left - strike that - any intelligent person actually believing in the left - would abhor anything Trump - fascist and anti-Democracy - and would endorse centrist Democrats as a far more preferable alternative, even if centrist Democratic politics are not to ones liking.
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@Bigga
The Russians clearly preferred an erratic, far right Trump (and there is credible reason to believe that Russia holds comprimat against Trump and thus exerts a powerful influence over him) to a centrist Democrat in Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

And Russia clearly engaged in massive online media campaigns to spread lies about Hillary and to sow discontent and spark partisan divide.

Which brings me to this:
Is Bigga a paid Russian troll? This is a serious question.

Because anyone actually believing in the left, even a very progressive leftist, would abhor anything Trump - fascist and anti-Democracy - and would reluctantly endorse centrist Democrats as a far more preferable alternative, even if centrist Democratic politics are not to ones liking.

In this regard - Bigga is either a Russian troll - or is some wacko nut job akin to Joe Rogan; a far left-leaning analog to Rogan, all too willing to ignore facts/science/rational thought - and instead desiring only to express opinions supportive of his personal far left beliefs.
 
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west didsblue said:
Ever heard of Bob Mueller. He wrote an interesting report on this very subject.

Spoiler alert: Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election.

The report didn’t find sufficient evidence to prove that the campaign actively conspired with the Russian government but it left no doubt that Russia actively helped the Trump campaign and that the campaign welcomed this assistance.
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You got any celeb on YouTube confirming that pal or was it in the fake news media?

What does Rogen say?
 
Amazon product ASIN 1982182911Woodward and Costa - yes they are liberals - but they are journalists first. Committed to the truth, wherever that leads.

Peril is an alarming exposition, detailing how very close American Democracy is to collapse - instead, replaced by a far-right fascist regime. More alarming still - this threat against Democracy is far from over.

Might a fascist American government emerge within the next 20 years or so? Beats me.... but I'd guess that it's at least 30% likely.
 
Shame we had to wade through all the far right bad faith Trump bollocks to end up with what we already knew ten months ago.

‘Audit report affirms President Biden beat former President Trump, as Maricopa County said in November.

Early versions of the Arizona audit report include results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county's official election results.’

www.azcentral.com

Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November

The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results.
www.azcentral.com
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
@Bigga
The Russians clearly preferred an erratic, far right Trump (and there is credible reason to believe that Russia holds comprimat against Trump and thus exerts a powerful influence over him) to a centrist Democrat in Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

And Russia clearly engaged in massive online media campaigns to spread lies about Hillary and to sow discontent and spark partisan divide.
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That isnt what happened though I appreciate the sentiment. Russia didn't pick a candidate between the two. Trump toyed with running for president as far back as 1987 but it was probably a business promotion decision rather than serious. It got serious when Russian told him in 2014 that they would back him if he went for the 2016 election. They didnt choose between they actually made their own Manchurian. They made him
 
west didsblue said:
I was commenting on your illogical conclusion that this indictment means that “Russiagate” is false. It’s not difficult to understand my point if you really wanted to.
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What's "illogical" is not giving room to the possibility that "Russiagate" started from a single point that snowballed into a monster of its own making.

It doesn't mean other people involved should be indicted too if they believed the original information.

'Someone shouts 'Fire!' in a crowded room and everyone runs hurting others in the process. That original person is caught. Does that mean everyone that ran and did further damage should be prosecuted too?'

THAT is illogical.
 
journolud said:
The problem with this is it’s a 15 minute clip of Russell Brand but I did manage 3.22 of it before having my interest sufficiently piqued to look for alternative sources of the same information and ways of interpreting it.

It seems to me that Brand has overcooked the significance of this and the lawyers defence also makes interesting reading.

Does this issue represent absolute proof that Trump and/or his campaign team had no links to Russia? Not according to some of the other links my admittedly brief research took me to and there was nothing as recent as this.

Does one lawyer making misleading statements mean that Hilary Clinton lied about this issue. Perhaps someone could extrapolate the pertinent information from all Brand’s bluster and faux intellectual posturing to inform us, or point to a source that doesn’t involve having to watch a 15 minute film
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What on earth...?

It's patently clear that the Trump family have ties to Russia as per the dumb bragging of the Dumb-Dumb Trump brothers. Many GOP and Dem politicians do too have connections to Russia. That is not the point!

What you guys are trying to prove is that Putin helped Trump WIN the election which is what 'Russiagate' is all about.

The amount of straw manning is amazing on this thread!

What the fuck is all this other shit...?
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
People just refuse to see it, but it's out there; well documented and backed up, cold hard facts.

His campaign manager Paul Manafort was heavily involve in Ukraine skulduggery and had strong ties to Russia. The infamous Trump Tower meeting was absolutely FA to do with the adoption of Russian children as was first claimed.

The Russia Meeting at Trump Tower Was to Discuss Adoption. Then It Wasn’t. How Accounts Have Shifted. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Basically EVERYONE in Trump's orbit was LYING about ties with Russia, and if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then you might as well give up now. And that's before you even start digging up Trump Tower Moscow stuff...
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The irony is super strong with this one!

You guys lose your shit and your vertebrae bending over backwards not to equate the way these twats around politics do business.

Remember your 'brilliant' politician sat in the Big Chair said this...




Only to Put his Shades on Over the Matter

I'm still waiting for the cursing of Biden for condemning Mohammed bin Salman being behind the murder by you guys, collectively. I don't trust ANYTHING these people say unlike the you gullible amongst you.

If any of these politicians told me the sky was blue I would put on my raincoat and wellies and go outside to make sure it's the truth.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
@Bigga
The Russians clearly preferred an erratic, far right Trump (and there is credible reason to believe that Russia holds comprimat against Trump and thus exerts a powerful influence over him) to a centrist Democrat in Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

And Russia clearly engaged in massive online media campaigns to spread lies about Hillary and to sow discontent and spark partisan divide.

Which brings me to this:
Is Bigga a paid Russian troll? This is a serious question.

Because anyone actually believing in the left, even a very progressive leftist, would abhor anything Trump - fascist and anti-Democracy - and would reluctantly endorse centrist Democrats as a far more preferable alternative, even if centrist Democratic politics are not to ones liking.

In this regard - Bigga is either a Russian troll - or is some wacko nut job akin to Joe Rogan; a far left-leaning analog to Rogan, all too willing to ignore facts/science/rational thought - and instead desiring only to express opinions supportive of his personal far left beliefs.
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I will always throw counter arguments in.

Having a 'preference' in leadership is NOT indicative of having enough influence to swing an election. The US has held propaganda and overthrown leadership in over 50 other countries since the 'Cold War'. This, by definition, makes you and your applaudiots 'paid US trolls', no?

That also makes you a "wacko nut job" for believing the US trope told for decades.

Your beloved Clinton? How many lies and truth twisting did she inflict on Obama as she ran against him? On Sanders? You have the GALL to speak on "facts" and "rational thought" when you allow information from the MSM to colour in your empty shapes to give you your thinking patterns.

I'm happy for you to keep being ignorant on truth cos yours is the only one that matters.
 
Bigga said:
What on earth...?

It's patently clear that the Trump family have ties to Russia as per the dumb bragging of the Dumb-Dumb Trump brothers. Many GOP and Dem politicians do too have connections to Russia. That is not the point!

What you guys are trying to prove is that Putin helped Trump WIN the election which is what 'Russiagate' is all about.

The amount of straw manning is amazing on this thread!

What the fuck is all this other shit...?
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“You guys”…

I’m not trying to prove anything
 
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