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Gaudion M said:
There is a back story here with MAGA world lawyers.

There are a huge number of people in the Trump world orbit getting sued - massive costs being paid out. Trump and the Republican party are trying to keep a handle on all of it. They want to know what evidence is in circulation and who might have criminal exposure and could be flipped. So the lawyers are selected on the basis they are on side with the party. But its increasingly difficult to get decent lawyers who will agree to essentially have an eye on the bigger picture and report in to trump / party HQ possibly at the detriment to their clients. Many have walked away due to the lack of fees but also to distance themselves from the shit show.
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Hadn't considered the payment issues from Trumpworld, but I did wonder why a legal firm would want to be seen to oppose the Sandy Hook families on this.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just wondering...

What do you think about the following political tactic: during primaries, where your political opponent is decided, donate money to a candidate in the opposite party whom you feel is so outlandish/extreme that he or she cannot possibly win election.

My take - this is foul play.

A partial solution - open up primaries. Everyone can vote. Even members of the opposite party.

Your thoughts?
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Well it seems like one of the many reasons that campaign donations should be regulated. For me, I'd ban any sort of political donation from companies/institutions/organisations, and then limit the amount that any single person can donate. So if you want a well funded campaign, you have to convince a large number of people to support your campaign financially, rather than one or two rich backers who you will inevitably pay back once you get into power.
 
Jones only used his Infowars show to reel in feeble minded gullible right wing extremist hicks, fill their empty heads with vitriolic bullshit and then spend half his airtime promoting his fake health supplements that the fucking idiots buy and line his pockets.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
And now there's a solid case for a $200m + judgement - fucking delicious!

As an aside - WTF! How incompetent can a law firm be to have texted the entire content of a defendant's phone records to the claimant's attorney?
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They are his 11th set of lawyers. One by one they drop him. Then he instructs new ones and they drop him and so it goes on - he must be in Lionel Hutz territory now.

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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just wondering...

What do you think about the following political tactic: during primaries, where your political opponent is decided, donate money to a candidate in the opposite party whom you feel is so outlandish/extreme that he or she cannot possibly win election.

My take - this is foul play.

A partial solution - open up primaries. Everyone can vote. Even members of the opposite party.

Your thoughts?
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That's what we do in CA. I can choose to vote in the Republican primary despite being a registered Democrat, and did so in 2016 to vote for Kasich to keep Trump out of the slot (which didn't work).

Incidentally, I think you need to come off your assumption that Joe Biden is running for President in 2024. The fretting over X vs. Biden is a waste of time until you know if he's running or not. I think it's 50/50, at best.
 
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can't the US just divide along racial lines and have a Civil War reset again? It seems to be their " switch it off and switch it back on again" default........

 


$4.1m in damages for inforwars.

The parents lawyer says they're hoping for 10-15x as much in punitive damages.

There are 19 other sets of parents.
 
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domalino said:


$4.1m in damages for inforwars.

The parents lawyer says they're hoping for 10-15x as much in punitive damages.

There are 19 other sets of parents.
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I’m still astonished on how he portrayed this horrific incident. It just shows how disinformation can have an effect on those that choose not to find the truth, even if it is right there before your eyes. Then to double down just to ensure that your ‘contributors’ keep paying!

His appalling behaviour deserves severe sanctions and should not only see him on his arse, it should also see him in prison taking it up the proverbial.

And, hopefully, his telephone log brings further consequence, not only for him, but also for the fuckers who wanted to push his dreadful message.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Incidentally, I think you need to come off your assumption that Joe Biden is running for President in 2024. The fretting over X vs. Biden is a waste of time until you know if he's running or not. I think it's 50/50, at best.
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Huh? Who's "fretting"?

IMO Biden is probably the best candidate that Democrats could possibly run in 2024. Granted he might not run. If one were to "fret" it would be about the possibility that Harris becomes the Democratic nominee.

The problem that Democrats face in 2022 and probably in 2024 is that the economy is frankly shit. Although not the fault of Democratic policy, if the economy doesn't substantially improve, it's unlikely that Democrats will win the presidency in 2024 - Kansas abortion result not withstanding.

Yes, the economy might improve. Yes the Russian invasion of Ukraine might come to an end. Yes supply chain issues probably resolve although new COVID variants might delay this - but on balance - 2024 looks good for Republicans.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Huh? Who's "fretting"?

IMO Biden is probably the best candidate that Democrats could possibly run in 2024. Granted he might not run. If one were to "fret" it would be about the possibility that Harris becomes the Democratic nominee.

The problem that Democrats face in 2022 and probably in 2024 is that the economy is frankly shit. Although not a fault of Democratic policy, if the economy doesn't substantially improve, it's unlikely that Democrats will win the presidency in 2024 - Kansas abortion result not withstanding.

Yes, the economy might improve. Yes the Russian invasion of Ukraine might come to an end. Yes supply chain issues probably resolve although new COVID variants might delay this - but on balance - 2024 looks good for Republicans.
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Unless you think the current recession (which is an odd one given the atypical employment lag so far — a jobful recession vs a jobless recovery, though in a half hour maybe the data starts showing a change) is turning into a 10 quarter one, I think you will end up being wrong about 2024’s economy.

When I say “fretting”, this is what I mean. It’s not logical to conclude the 24 economy will look much like 22. Certainly there isn’t much historical precedent for such a fear, unless you think this is the early 80s, and I doubt rates are going to double digits. We’ve been in a post-war boom (the war being against COVID) followed by the inevitable post-war inflationary period, followed by a post-post-war downturn.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Unless you think the current recession (which is an odd one given the atypical employment lag so far — a jobful recession vs a jobless recovery, though in a half hour maybe the data starts showing a change) is turning into a 10 quarter one, I think you will end up being wrong about 2024’s economy.

When I say “fretting”, this is what I mean. It’s not logical to conclude the 24 economy will look much like 22. We’ve been in a post-war boom (the war being against COVID) followed by the inevitable post-war inflationary period, followed by a post-post-war downturn.
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>> When I say “fretting”, this is what I mean. It’s not logical to conclude the 24 economy will look much like 22. We’ve been in a post-war boom (the war being against COVID) followed by the inevitable post-war inflationary period, followed by a post-post-war downturn.
Huh?

The primary reason that I think that the economy will continue to drag is that Russia's invasion of Ukraine shows no sign of resolving. Is this view "irrational" - hand wringing over nothing - no basis at all - silly?
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Here's an "as an aside" for you FogBlue....

You seem altogether far too optimistic in your outlook. You have a tendency to project what you want to happen, dubiously so in my opinion, on matters actually at hand.

So now, although we're basically rooting for identical outcomes, you've decided to label my opinions with derogatory, dismissive rhetoric.
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Get real. Biden might not run - but he's the candidate that bettors think will run. And - as explained previously - if he doesn't run - I think that not having Biden at the front of the ticket is worse for Democrats.
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This post of mine will no doubt launch some sort of rhetorical war - because I largely disagree with your projections - on the basis of facts at hand, presently. No one can read the future - so we're left dealing in likelihoods. And my "likelihoods" are apparently nothing more than "fretting."
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So I'll forestall the war - you're on ignore for the time being.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
>> When I say “fretting”, this is what I mean. It’s not logical to conclude the 24 economy will look much like 22. We’ve been in a post-war boom (the war being against COVID) followed by the inevitable post-war inflationary period, followed by a post-post-war downturn.
Huh?

The primary reason that I think that the economy will continue to drag is that the war against Ukraine shows no sign of resolving. Is this view "irrational" - hand wringing over nothing - no basis at all - silly?
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Here's an "as an aside" for you FogBlue....

You seem altogether far too optimistic in your outlook. You have a tendency to project what you want to happen, dubiously so in my opinion, on matters actually at hand.

So now, although we're basically rooting for identical outcomes, you've decided to label my opinions with derogatory, dismissive rhetoric.
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Get real. Biden might not run - but he's the candidate that bettors think will run. And even - as explained previously - if he doesn't run - I think that not having Biden at the front of the ticket is worse for worse for Democrats.
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This post of mine will no doubt launch some sort of rhetorical war - because I largely disagree with your projections - on the basis of facts at hand, presently. No one can read the future - so we're left dealing in likelihoods. And my "likelihoods" are apparently nothing more that "fretting."
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So I'll forestall the war - you're on ignore for the time being.
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I just think you worry too much. There are real reasons for worry (installation of MAGA Secretaries of State in some places), and then other reasons that make less sense to me (the recession will still be ongoing in 2024, cuz of Ukraine). I don't disagree with you politically -- I can just see the edges fraying around the MAGA movement (finally) and the Trump cult, which is a positive, even if MAGA 2.0 (DeSantis) is the next battle.
 
As it edges closer to Trump being indited his lawyers are now beginning to talk, its starting to look like Watergate all over again. How long before we get the news Trump isn't running so he can avoid orange jumpsuit time.
 
Mike D said:
As it edges closer to Trump being indited his lawyers are now beginning to talk, its starting to look like Watergate all over again. How long before we get the news Trump isn't running so he can avoid orange jumpsuit time.
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The problem always with Trump and the US justice system is that with enough money you can delay and bog down the system. The fact it has taken this long to even get close to an indictment does not boed well for him being locked up. He will be fighting in courts until he dies. I doubt he will eve see a prison cell though.
 
Gaudion M said:
The problem always with Trump and the US justice system is that with enough money you can delay and bog down the system. The fact it has taken this long to even get close to an indictment does not boed well for him being locked up. He will be fighting in courts until he dies. I doubt he will eve see a prison cell though.
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Not a chance he will go down, he’ll just wapp-out his presidential pardon that he signed himself, a bit like the child-like teachers note that one tried to get away with when young.
 
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