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SebastianBlue said:
I think it is far from over.

But this will lead to quite a few shifts, most unfortunately aiding Trump and his MAGA movement, which is what I think most are alluding to, rather than the election actually being already won by him.
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Unfortunately this has given him the perfect platform to present himself as the hero/victim which I suspect is more comfortable for him than discussing policy or his personal failings.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Unfortunately this has given him the perfect platform to present himself as the hero/victim which I suspect is more comfortable for him than discussing policy or his personal failings.
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We are at the stage where someone gets shot and then gets criticised for playing the victim.
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
Maybe you missed the sentence that began with this (I wasn't disagreeing with you):

'I also don't think Trump is a Nazi....'

The Nazis were anti-democratic. Trump at least pays some kind of lip service to democracy (though his promotion of the baseless 'Big Lie' conspiracy theory following the 2020 election suggests that his relationship with that system is tenuous to say the least).

Also, populists like Trump imagine that they are expressing the will of the people.

Contrastingly, Nazis/fascists are authoritarians who don't trust the vox populi.
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I suspect most people would struggle to define what a Nazi is.

I think Trump is more an imperialist
- emperors lived by being popular and having enough people behind them, or the right people. I think he sees a system which re-elects the incumbent as very acceptable.
- He'll certainly choose the next Republican if he wins and expect to pull the strings. He's got a relative in charge of the party, so if he likes the idea of a dynasty, that's eminently doable - the only problem appears to be that his kids don't seem to have anything appealing about them.
- He's vengeful and I don't think there's any doubt that he won't go after perceived 'enemies'.
- He definitely likes making money for himself, and enriching those who will sustain his power.

He will doubtless talk repeatedly of a third term, but that seems all but impossible to force through, and any attempt to do so would get a backlash in elections to come which would prevent it.
I don't know how Congress is looking for after the elections.

I think he's learnt a bit from why he lost the last time and isn't making so many actions that annoy people. If things like abortion don't motivate votes for Biden, he doesn't need to be as OTT as he was four years ago.
 
Vic said:
That would be the man who preferred soldiers who didn't get captured.

Maybe "Only losers get shot..."
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I think this is the biggest boost for Trump out of all this. It takes out the whole narrative about him being a draft dodger, as he took a bullet for the people of America!
They tried to get him with "lawfare" and now they are trying to get him any way they can. He is a true hero of America/the working man/MAGA (delete as appropriate)
It's the deep state at work of course!!!!!
 
mexico1970 said:
Bloke gets shot and should just get on with it, some strange weird opinions on this thread.
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No, Bloke gets shot and wonders 'how did I get here' would be the most logical way for someone to look at it, but self-reflection isn't something Trump has ever practiced.
 
mexico1970 said:
We are at the stage where someone gets shot and then gets criticised for playing the victim.
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The irony of it that he is instinctively a bully and a narcissist, a coward who dodged service in Vietnam, and a liar and rapist to boot. He now gets to play hero and victim when there's been nothing heroic in his life and has harmed many people who've been victims of his greed.
 
Watching Meidastouch on YouTube highlighting some of the utterly bat shit crazy stuff now coming out from MAGA gun toting scumbags like Joni Earst, Will Brook and MTG and Kemp shooting copies of Obamacare (ACA), straight after an assassination attempt.
It really defies belief
 
Biden knows he's lost now but still won't stand down.

"I'm touring the country to tell you what my record has been" in a meek voice.

Stand down son and let someone else take over who can't be used by the GOP for batshit conspiracy theories from his mates accusing the current president of ordering the assassination of a former one.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Biden knows he's lost now but still won't stand down.

"I'm touring the country to tell you what my record has been" in a meek voice.

Stand down son and let someone else take over who can't be used by the GOP for batshit conspiracy theories from his mates accusing the current president of ordering the assassination of a former one.
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Whether he should or not, whoever is running is going to be accused of orchestrating the assassination attempt -- it could be Jamie Dimon or Nicholas Cage or fucking Shakira running and somehow the looneys would find a way to connect the blue candidate to the "plot" -- have you learned nothing the last several years?
 
jim tolmies perm said:
Watching Meidastouch on YouTube highlighting some of the utterly bat shit crazy stuff now coming out from MAGA gun toting scumbags like Joni Earst, Will Brook and MTG and Kemp shooting copies of Obamacare (ACA), straight after an assassination attempt.
It really defies belief
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Yeah . . . "now."

It doesn't defy belief in the slightest. Sadly.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Unfortunately this has given him the perfect platform to present himself as the hero/victim which I suspect is more comfortable for him than discussing policy or his personal failings.
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How the word "suspect" snuck in there is beyond me. Of course you're right, of course it does. He doesn't care about policy save the populist impacts that accrue to his own self-aggrandization, and he doesn't have any personal failings; just ask him.
 
jim tolmies perm said:
Watching Meidastouch on YouTube highlighting some of the utterly bat shit crazy stuff now coming out from MAGA gun toting scumbags like Joni Earst, Will Brook and MTG and Kemp shooting copies of Obamacare (ACA), straight after an assassination attempt.
It really defies belief
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What makes this stuff even more horrendous is that there are people out there who don't add any weight or take seriously the absolute notion that these oddball theories don't carry any weight, people believe ANYTHING these days and can find a nut to back their opinion up.

Remember the 2016 election with their "fact check" slogan from news channels, like journalists and news organisations are the arbiters of truth?
 
mexico1970 said:
What makes this stuff even more horrendous is that there are people out there who don't add any weight or take seriously the absolute notion that these oddball theories don't carry any weight, people believe ANYTHING these days and can find a nut to back their opinion up.

Remember the 2016 election with their "fact check" slogan from news channels, like journalists and news organisations are the arbiters of truth?
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Journalists and news outlets staffed by journalists are more responsible, and have to deliver facts by the nature of their job. The ones who find 'ANYTHING' to back stuff up are the unregulated ones that people like to feel validated by, and do this by saying they are engaging in research, away from the very vaccuous term they use, MSM. News is factual events, journalism is source based work around that, the rest is nonsense that spawns the kind of shit we saw around Nicola Bulley and the kid in Tenerife
 
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