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TinFoilHat said:
What's the deal the Dems have capitulated too?

Probably something that ends the shutdown for a couple of months before going through the same shit again when Trump want to take more money for himself.
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Deal seems to include;

CR thru Jan 30
Vote on ACA subsidies (won't pass)
Back pay for feds
Reverse RIFs from Oct 1
No RIFs through Jan 30
DC gets the billion dollars back the Rs stole
Minibus including full year SNAP funding

What a total giveaway of any leverage we had..

Biggest issue besides no ACA subsidies is no constraint on Trump’s illegal recissions so he doesn’t actually have to follow the appropriations.

Instead let MAGA pass a bill by nuking the filibuster. Then they can do whatever they want. And own the outcomes, too.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Trump just looks like everything has shut down and is waiting for further input. I'd have thought a normal person would have moved away, called for help or at worst just sat down.
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Maybe Musk’s first Humanoid robot is a Trump…and Musk was giving him a software update? My Tesla says no driving for upto 45 mins for a software update, but maybe a Humanoid Robot only takes a few mins for a quick update?!

TIC.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Deal seems to include;

CR thru Jan 30
Vote on ACA subsidies (won't pass)
Back pay for feds
Reverse RIFs from Oct 1
No RIFs through Jan 30
DC gets the billion dollars back the Rs stole
Minibus including full year SNAP funding

What a total giveaway of any leverage we had..

Biggest issue besides no ACA subsidies is no constraint on Trump’s illegal recissions so he doesn’t actually have to follow the appropriations.

Instead let MAGA pass a bill by nuking the filibuster. Then they can do whatever they want. And own the outcomes, too.
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I’d assume Democrats will ramp up the PR on ACA before the temp measures expire and say they’ve fed hungry Americans and gotten the government re-opened. They have perhaps given up actual leverage, I agree. But they also smell some blood and weakness on healthcare. It’s the only word they should use between now and Jan 30.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I’d assume Democrats will ramp up the PR on ACA before the temp measures expire and say they’ve fed hungry Americans and gotten the government re-opened. They have perhaps given up actual leverage, I agree. But they also smell some blood and weakness on healthcare. It’s the only word they should use between now and Jan 30.
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What's the point in being an American??

We're not funding science, not funding education, not funding disaster relief, not funding healthcare, not funding food for the poor.

I mean what the fuck are we getting out of our taxes? Bombs to Israel to genocide more brown people and a bailout to Argentina because Trump's billionaire partners in crime lost their asses betting on their dipshit libertarian president.

Or just so @Dax777 can say he pwned the libs and Trump is the bestest POTUS ever??

Well hope he and the ones that voted for him enjoy their health care premium increases month after month after month.

Funny how he'll probably just say fuck it.. and not pay for healthcare and then when he needs his his savings and house will be gone. That's part of the MAGA plan!
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I’d assume Democrats will ramp up the PR on ACA before the temp measures expire and say they’ve fed hungry Americans and gotten the government re-opened. They have perhaps given up actual leverage, I agree. But they also smell some blood and weakness on healthcare. It’s the only word they should use between now and Jan 30.
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I’m going to assume this is a result of the SCOTUS decision to NOT provide SNAP, and the fact that by Jan 30, the ACA subsidies will be over and the 3 months of incessant discussion of healthcare costs will be proven correct…or that Schumer and Durbin are weak and ineffective old men.

Schumer really does have to go!
 
You can only hope that this is the death knell for Schumer and the other boomer democrats who keep kowtowing to Trump.

The November elections just proved conclusively that the American people were on the democrats' side on the shutdown, they do not want higher insurance premiums, they held Trump responsible for the shutdown and 8 cowardly fucks with an average age of 70 just caved in and killed 50,000 Americans a year so they could fly where they want over thanksgiving.

The biggest gift Trump could have asked for.
 
domalino said:
You can only hope that this is the death knell for Schumer and the other boomer democrats who keep kowtowing to Trump.

The November elections just proved conclusively that the American people were on the democrats' side on the shutdown, they do not want higher insurance premiums, they held Trump responsible for the shutdown and 8 cowardly fucks with an average age of 70 just caved in and killed 50,000 Americans a year so they could fly where they want over thanksgiving.

The biggest gift Trump could have asked for.
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Schumer & Jeffries are absolute toast if someone primaries them. It's near certain its going to happen too. The base fuckin hate them.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I’d assume Democrats will ramp up the PR on ACA before the temp measures expire and say they’ve fed hungry Americans and gotten the government re-opened. They have perhaps given up actual leverage, I agree. But they also smell some blood and weakness on healthcare. It’s the only word they should use between now and Jan 30.
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ChicagoBlue said:
I’m going to assume this is a result of the SCOTUS decision to NOT provide SNAP, and the fact that by Jan 30, the ACA subsidies will be over and the 3 months of incessant discussion of healthcare costs will be proven correct…or that Schumer and Durbin are weak and ineffective old men.

Schumer really does have to go!
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Does this not open the door for the extra dem to be sworn in and then the Epstein files to get released.

And also just push the clock back to Jan where by that time the Reps will have blocked a vote on health care or voted against it.

It's not that bad to me. But maybe I'm not getting the full picture.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
Does this not open the door for the extra dem to be sworn in and then the Epstein files to get released.

And also just push the clock back to Jan where by that time the Reps will have blocked a vote on health care or voted against it.

It's not that bad to me. But maybe I'm not getting the full picture.
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The pain was just starting to grow, and the Republicans were the owners of that pain. They were the ones not paying SNAP (food assistance) benefits, they were the ones trying to codify hundreds of billions in tax giveaways to the largest corps and billionaire class, and they were the ones holding out to try and kill the ACA by saying “look how expensive it is! It’s the Unaffordable Care Act!”

But, as is always the case, Democrats are so lily livered and weak, they cannot stand ANY pain!

As we approached Thanksgiving and increasing flight delays and cancellations, it was REPUBLICANS who were going to feel the heat for not paying controllers and RUINING THE BIGGEST TRAVEL HOLIDAY OF THE YEAR!

I sent a letter to my own Senator, Dick Durbin, expressing my displeasure at his weakness on his way out of office, after decades of support. My daughter works for a small business and relies on the ACA for her health care plan. Today, she has literally NO IDEA what that cost will be for 2026, only that it will significantly more, perhaps multiples higher. On top of rising rent & food prices, she is being squeezed, just like many 20-somethings, which is why you see the likes of Mamdani and a couple of young mothers getting elected to the biggest jobs at stake!

Democrats had, for once, shown some backbone, and were ratcheting the pressure on Republicans at a time when Trump and his Cult were at record low voter support. So, what do they do? They organize just enough soon-to-retirees and not running for re-election in 2026 Senators to get to the magic number. Absolute wet fanny brigade!!!

It might have taken a week, possibly two, but Republicans would have been FORCED to allow change to their stance, and as we near Christmas and the retail profit season that makes their entire year, Republicans could not have stomached the malaise that ruining the Christmas shopping season would have produced.

As it is now, Democrats have simply chosen to starve a different group of citizens, in a way that wont impact them until 2026, and will have to do it all over again…and fail…even though millions of Americans will lose their healthcare subsidies, and thus be forced to go WITHOUT HEALTHCARE in the new year, because they simply cannot afford the most expensive healthcare in the world!

Disgraceful, but not unexpected when you have the kind of weak leadership Democrats are famous for electing!

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Senator,

It is with a heavy heart that I recognize your vote on ending the Republican Government Shutdown, and note with distaste that you have cobbled together a little Democrat cabal of additional Senators who are not seeking re-election in 2026.

As the Number 2 Democrat in the Senate, I’m really disappointed not only in your vote, but the effect it will have on people like my own daughter, who has to use the ACA to secure minimal health care protection. You have failed her and you have violated the trust of millions of Democrats for whom you had been a staunch advocate during your career.

If anything was learned from the recent elections, it was that standing up to the King and the King makers was a minimum expectation for Democrats going forward. After large steps forward, your actions, and those of your traitorous cabal, have dragged us back to where we were…a plaything for Republicans to toy with!

After years of honorable service, I wish you well in your retirement. However, given this vote and your willingness to ignore the voice of the people who not only sent you to Washington, but also provided you with your long career, that retirement cannot come soon enough.

It is time for change in the Democratic Party, as the voters have clearly indicated, so please take the Minority Leader, Senator Schumer, with you when you leave. Never has a supposed leader looked, sounded and acted as weak as he does every time he steps in front of a microphone.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Lifelong Democrat
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
The pain was just starting to grow, and the Republicans were the owners of that pain. They were the ones not paying SNAP (food assistance) benefits, they were the ones trying to codify hundreds of billions in tax giveaways to the largest corps and billionaire class, and they were the ones holding out to try and kill the ACA by saying “look how expensive it is! It’s the Unaffordable Care Act!”

But, as is always the case, Democrats are so lily livered and weak, they cannot stand ANY pain!

As we approached Thanksgiving and increasing flight delays and cancellations, it was REPUBLICANS who were going to feel the heat for not paying controllers and RUINING THE BIGGEST TRAVEL HOLIDAY OF THE YEAR!

I sent a letter to my own Senator, Dick Durbin, expressing my displeasure at his weakness on his way out of office, after decades of support. My daughter works for a small business and relies on the ACA for her health care plan. Today, she has literally NO IDEA what that cost will be for 2026, only that it will significantly more, perhaps multiples higher. On top of rising rent & food prices, she is being squeezed, just like many 20-somethings, which is why you see the likes of Mamdani and a couple of young mothers getting elected to the biggest jobs at stake!

Democrats had, for once, shown some backbone, and were ratcheting the pressure on Republicans at a time when Trump and his Cult were at record low voter support. So, what do they do? They organize just enough soon-to-retirees and not running for re-election in 2026 Senators to get to the magic number. Absolute wet fanny brigade!!!

It might have taken a week, possibly two, but Republicans would have been FORCED to allow change to their stance, and as we near Christmas and the retail profit season that makes their entire year, Republicans could not have stomached the malaise that ruining the Christmas shopping season would have produced.

As it is now, Democrats have simply chosen to starve a different group of citizens, in a way that wont impact them until 2026, and will have to do it all over again…and fail…even though millions of Americans will lose their healthcare subsidies, and thus be forced to go WITHOUT HEALTHCARE in the new year, because they simply cannot afford the most expensive healthcare in the world!

Disgraceful, but not unexpected when you have the kind of weak leadership Democrats are famous for electing!
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It's weak for the electorate but Schumer and Pelosi made their retirement money from legalised Insider trading so I doubt they'll be arsed whilst enjoying a tax cut.
 
The blue phantom said:
Schumer & Jeffries are absolute toast if someone primaries them. It's near certain its going to happen too. The base fuckin hate them.
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super_city_si said:
They're awful, really need replacing.
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Absolutely no coincidence that all 8 of the senators who flipped are either retiring or not up for election in 2026. It’s coordinated by Schumer. One of them was the deputy whip FFS.
 
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