US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

The blue phantom said:
He basically supported Bernie to endorsing Trump. He was like that for a while too.
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Bernie is himself disillusioned with the Democratic Party!!! He's literally come out and criticised them for the direction the party has gone in. The only difference is Bernie (and he runs as an individual these days) is still more affiliated with the dems and won't vote Trump as he sees Harris as the lesser of two evils. But Bernie and Joe's feelings towards the dems isn't too dissimilar!
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I know you’re upset and it’s very personal for you, and that’s ok.

I am speaking as someone in another country who is looking at this and forming an objective opinion. I have no emotional attachment to the election. I’d have preferred Harris to win, but expected Trump to for all of the reasons I’ve outlined in this thread.

I hope you and your family are ok mate.
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They aren’t ok, but thanks for asking.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So you’re overlooking the right that worked with him for many years using that term against him ?
Yes , sure many democrats and the left on social media but the loudest voices and the ones we should be listening too are the former generals and advisors that worked with him.
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I don't think I'm overlooking anyone. My point is he isn't hitler. Who ever calls him that or alludes to it is sensationalising or has an agenda, left or right.
 
inbetween said:
One of the biggest frustrations for people is the rise of minority politics such as gender politics. These have become huge issues but I have never spoken to a single person who understands it let alone is bothered. Even our nieces and nephews in their early 20's groan when gender politics comes up in the news. Trump made it clear that these weren't going to be priorities for his administration but it clearly was for the Democrats.

As much as I can't stand Trump, his rhetoric and he is an awful person, the issues he does speak about are important to somebody like me, though I don't necessarily agree with the ways he will fix those problems! In the UK I am worried about the economy, immigration and safety. I can see how people may feel backed into a corner when those issues are marginalised and not given priority.

We're seeing it now in the UK where anybody with a concern over immigration is now suddenly being labelled as far-right. So in 4-5 years time you can imagine that the Tories will get in again on an anti-immigration ticket and suddenly people will be saying that the entire country is fascist and racist.

The only way the same won't happen here is if Labour stands up and tackles these difficult problems as a government that stands for everyone. So far I'm not so sure they will and then the end result will be inevitable.
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100% this.
 
inbetween said:
One of the biggest frustrations for people is the rise of minority politics such as gender politics. These have become huge issues but I have never spoken to a single person who understands it let alone is bothered. Even our nieces and nephews in their early 20's groan when gender politics comes up in the news. Trump made it clear that these weren't going to be priorities for his administration but it clearly was for the Democrats.

As much as I can't stand Trump, his rhetoric and he is an awful person, the issues he does speak about are important to somebody like me, though I don't necessarily agree with the ways he will fix those problems! In the UK I am worried about the economy, immigration and safety. I can see how people may feel backed into a corner when those issues are marginalised and not given priority.

We're seeing it now in the UK where anybody with a concern over immigration is now suddenly being labelled as far-right. So in 4-5 years time you can imagine that the Tories will get in again on an anti-immigration ticket and suddenly people will be saying that the entire country is fascist and racist.

The only way the same won't happen here is if Labour stands up and tackles these difficult problems as a government that stands for everyone. So far I'm not so sure they will and then the end result will be inevitable.
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Starmer has tweeted today about the need to halt the boats and people smuggling. I think labour are aware of the issue.
 
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