US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[threespires]

That was in the Trump thread, and no, he's dodging it.

Ah right thanks. I assume at some point this thread will get locked albeit not for a while, wonder if it'll run up to inauguration or be binned in the nearer future?

 

[west didsblue]

I think America will survive -- but my concern is more certain Americans -- the ones he and his more Machiavellian minions plus the more craven of the rabble want to enact their revenge upon. It starts with immigrants, then moves to LGTBQ people, then "Democrats" then women at large (and I'm obviously missing many other non-white, non-Christian sub-groups). Many members of these groups will suffer -- and suffering begins with feeling frightened and hopeless.

It is Donald Trump and his party who have made them feel this way.

Trump is not interested in making America better for Americans. He's interested in making America better for HIM. Which means he's richer, protected from the consequences of his past actions, and makes those who opposed him suffer his "revenge".

The only thing that would make this worse is if he weren't stupid or lazy, but since he's both, and so venal, it's his complete and utter self-interest that probably limits the damage on the nation. But also maybe not, given that the Senate, House, court system, press and probably bureaucracy are increasingly powerless to prevent him from doing whatever he wants.

If those who supported him cannot see this, and immediately reject it on it's face, than they either a) don't care or b) are blind and deaf to it. As such, I don't think it matters one whit who the candidate he was running against was.

As I've taken great pains to explain over my many years on these threads, my issue is with Trump, not Conservatives generally. I voted for Mitt Romney. I voted for Ronald Reagan. I have voted for other Republicans too. I vote for the candidate I believe is the most pragmatic and thoughtful first; the politics come second.

I lost faith in many Americans' common sense when he won the first time, but we survived. That I had any hope at all this time in the face of overwhelming evidence as to who and what he is after his first term, then the pandemic, then 1/6, then the court cases, then the campaign is my own foolish optimism getting the better of me again. What's the phrase? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

It's not Trump that fooled me -- it's the American people who did.

They won't again.

The American people aren’t unique. If they can do it so can any country. Expecting a comeback by Johnson here now which I would have considered unthinkable before this. We’re in a post fact world where propaganda has become all powerful.

 

[Dax777]

@Dax777 did you respond to the questions re the GOP Vs Dems re. Christian principles?

We don't really have that same politics/religion intersection here (anymore) so it's quite interesting to me.

Yes. Republicans are more in line with Christianity. I don't think there's a question about it. I think those objecting are just being disingenuous.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Exactly.

Sadly, in this instance, I believe in the freedom of people to say what they want.

However, it’s the algorithms that DRIVE INFLUENCE that I have the problem with. That is manipulation of speech via hidden agenda.

100%

Paid influencers (including those paid by foreign governments), along with the platforms algorithms (we all know who drives those) have steered the social media content in favour of one candidate which ultimately played a large part in deciding the outcome of the election.

There is only a single reason for this and that is because Trump and his government have promised tax breaks that will benefit the likes of Musk, Bezos, Murdoch, etc. Money and greed has decide the fate of 85% of the population so that the richest 15% can get richer, and foreign governments will hold sway over the USA because of it.


Sure, people might benefit short term, but long term it is a very dangerous position to be in.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yes. Republicans are more in line with Christianity. I don't think there's a question about it. I think those objecting are just being disingenuous.

You keep saying this without sharing your reasons for it.

Most of us in the U.K. seem to be baffled by this as it seems completely wrong to us.

It’d save time and lots of pages if you’d be good enough to list your reasonings, rather than directing people to Google to search for your thoughts on this as “Why does Dax777 believe Republicans align more to Christianity than the Democrats” isn’t coming up with much.

 

[west didsblue]

You keep saying this without sharing your reasons for it.

Most of us in the U.K. seem to be baffled by this as it seems completely wrong to us.

It’d save time and lots of pages if you’d be good enough to list your reasonings, rather than directing people to Google to search for your thoughts on this as “Why does Dax777 believe Republicans align more to Christianity than the Democrats” isn’t coming up with much.

Depends what you mean by Christianity. It’s more Christian fundamentalism that Republicans are aligned to which is no better than fundamentalism from any other religion. It’s all about intolerance and control, just like the Taliban.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Depends what you mean by Christianity. It’s more Christian fundamentalism that Republicans are aligned to which is no better than fundamentalism from any other religion. It’s all about intolerance and control, just like the Taliban.

True, that would have been my follow up question. Fire and brimstone Old Testament stuff rather than the teachings of tolerance.

 

[threespires]

Yes. Republicans are more in line with Christianity. I don't think there's a question about it. I think those objecting are just being disingenuous.

I don't think they are being disingenuous, certainly not the UK based posters. Let me ask then, does it basically revolve around abortion and sexuality or is it more than that?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

True, that would have been my follow up question. Fire and brimstone Old Testament stuff rather than the teachings of tolerance.

Old Testament Christianity is probably how some of them describe it too!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I don't think they are being disingenuous, certainly not the UK based posters. Let me ask then, does it basically revolve around abortion and sexuality or is it more than that?

I was thinking that there is likely to be a difference of perspective on what Christianity's main tenets are between US and UK.