US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[TinFoilHat]

Are there subtitles?

I'm convinced Carville died years ago as I see here is a talking skull wearing a baseball cap.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Depends what you mean by Christianity. It’s more Christian fundamentalism that Republicans are aligned to which is no better than fundamentalism from any other religion. It’s all about intolerance and control, just like the Taliban.

There are 2 prominent forms of Christianity in the USA right now, traditional Christianity and Republican Christianity.

Personally, I am not religious in any way, shape or from. My main observation here is that one of the above groups is so far removed from the actual (alleged) teachings of Jesus it's laughable.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You keep saying this without sharing your reasons for it.

Most of us in the U.K. seem to be baffled by this as it seems completely wrong to us.

It’d save time and lots of pages if you’d be good enough to list your reasonings, rather than directing people to Google to search for your thoughts on this as “Why does Dax777 believe Republicans align more to Christianity than the Democrats” isn’t coming up with much.

I don’t think it’s that complicated. The GOP talks about Christianity more. That’s good enough for Dax to say what he’s said.

There are problems. One is that Dax is a ACTUAL committed Christian so he has an unusual bit of cognitive dissonance around this point relative to his other views given the number of GOPers who make a mockery of Christian ideals while spouting off about it, including Trump, which is why he’s struggling to justify his point more deeply I think.

Two, just because you talk about it doesn’t mean you reflect it. Not Dax — I mean certain GOPers.

And three, as I’ve pointed out, neither side should be discussing religion at all except in the context of all being equal in the eyes of the state, and in how they might influence international political dynamics.

Hypocrisy and greed connected to religions has been around since, well, religion. Hence my view that the U.S. should do even more to separate church and state. Like fuck off the motto on our legal tender e. g. and remove the word God from our pledge of allegiance and the courtroom. I freely admit I’m a radical in this regard and that I don’t think it’s important enough to care THAT much.

 

[Dax777]

I don't think they are being disingenuous, certainly not the UK based posters. Let me ask then, does it basically revolve around abortion and sexuality or is it more than that?

Fair enough. I've just read in these political pages enough people denigrating conservatives, specifically because they are religious and never once read anyone say anything similar about Democrats.

The tenets of Christianity are the same :

Believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. More of the people who believe that are Republicans.

Believing the 10 commandments.... More Republicans believe this.

Christianity's view on Abortion - more Republicans believe in it.

On Marriage: Republicans

On Homosexuality: Republicans

Even on tolerance: Still Republicans are more tolerant.

I thought Christianity was something looked down on around these parts. Why am I here trying to convince folks that the thing they look down on belongs more to the other side.

This is all strange to me.

 

[Dax777]

I don’t think it’s that complicated. The GOP talks about Christianity more. That’s good enough for Dax to say what he’s said.

There are problems. One is that Dax is a ACTUAL committed Christian so he has an unusual bit of cognitive dissonance around this point relative to his other views given the number of GOPers who make a mockery of Christian ideals while spouting off about it, including Trump, which is why he’s struggling to justify his point more deeply I think.

Two, just because you talk about it doesn’t mean you reflect it. Not Dax — I mean certain GOPers.

And three, as I’ve pointed out, neither side should be discussing religion at all except in the context of all being equal in the eyes of the state, and in how they might influence international political dynamics.

For the record, I'm not a Christian. At least haven't been since college. But of course I grew up in a religious family.

And again, I agree with the bolded. But as to the issue of who believes in Christianity? It's kinda common sense that it's not the side that makes fun of it, right?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Fair enough. I've just read in these political pages enough people denigrating conservatives, specifically because they are religious and never once read anyone say anything similar about Democrats.

The tenets of Christianity are the same :

Believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. More of the people who believe that are Republicans.

Believing the 10 commandments.... More Republicans believe this.

Christianity's view on Abortion - more Republicans believe in it.

On Marriage: Republicans

On Homosexuality: Republicans

Even on tolerance: Still Republicans are more tolerant.

I thought Christianity was something looked down on around these parts. Why am I here trying to convince folks that the thing they look down on belongs more to the other side.

This is all strange to me.

As if on cue :)

I worked for an evangelical company for five years and one of my very best friends is a Baptist minister.

You’ll probably get a lot of stick for this post but I get where you’re coming from even if I don’t agree. I’d argue about biblical dogma (I was a theology minor and went to Catholic school for 13 years) but I know arguing about matters of faith doesn’t do any good.

I think if you look deep into your heart you’ll realize that your tolerance suggestion is wrong though when it comes to people writ large, not just Christian people. I’d be very disappointed and surprised if you reached a different conclusion. The KKK are probably America’s most fiendish society. They are whole hog GOP.

Had they caught you alone one night years ago they might have hung you just for being you, your Christian beliefs be damned.

So please — let’s not pretend, eh? It insults everyone’s intelligence.

 

[threespires]

Fair enough. I've just read in these political pages enough people denigrating conservatives, specifically because they are religious and never once read anyone say anything similar about Democrats.

The tenets of Christianity are the same :

Believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. More of the people who believe that are Republicans.

Believing the 10 commandments.... More Republicans believe this.

Christianity's view on Abortion - more Republicans believe in it.

On Marriage: Republicans

On Homosexuality: Republicans

Even on tolerance: Still Republicans are more tolerant.

I thought Christianity was something looked down on around these parts. Why am I here trying to convince folks that the thing they look down on belongs more to the other side.

This is all strange to me.

Thanks for responding. I'm making the tea but I do find it interesting and I will return to this later.

 

[Dax777]

As if on cue :)

I worked for an evangelical company for five years and one of my very best friends is a Baptist minister.

You’ll probably get a lot of stick for this post but I get where you’re coming from even if I don’t agree. I’d argue about biblical dogma (I was a theology minor and went to Catholic school for 13 years) but I know arguing about matters of faith doesn’t do any good.

I think if you look deep into your heart you’ll realize that your tolerance suggestion is wrong though when it comes to people writ large, not just Christian people. I’d be very disappointed and surprised if you reached a different conclusion. The KKK are probably America’s most fiendish society. They are whole hog GOP.

Fair enough, I was thinking of tolerance strictly from the standpoint of Christian ethics rather than from the broader liberal ethics. Since Christianity was what was at issue.

Id still conclude Republicans are probably more tolerant, albeit, I take your point. Perhaps it's closer.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The biggest irony is that if Jesus returned to Earth now, he’d be dismissed as a woke liberal, which says it all about how Christian the Republicans actually are.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

For the record, I'm not a Christian. At least haven't been since college. But of course I grew up in a religious family.

And again, I agree with the bolded. But as to the issue of who believes in Christianity? It's kinda common sense that it's not the side that makes fun of it, right?

But who is making fun of it? That’s what I don’t get. Certainly not Biden who is a committed Christian. It’s not institutionalized as part of the Democratic Party platform to “make fun of” Christians. There are several Christian references in the Republican platform (which IMO there should not be) so I get where you’re coming from but I know plenty of secular Republicans who mock evangelicals regularly. It’s not party-specific. And you know this. For Pete’s sake my LAWYER is evangelical and on the few instances we’ve discussed it he’s had a hard time reconciling this behavior of Trump with the idea that GOP is more Christian — to pretend the dissonance isn’t causing agita is silly if you’re a committed Christian.

Your view just doesn’t meet the evidence test, I’m sorry. I get how you might feel — especially in the context of a British chat room — but there’s a different between the “religious” and the “religious right”.