US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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FogBlueInSanFran said:
The “talking down to them” argument falls right into the trap populists lay. I posted this before — how should experts deal with the objections of non-experts? The only answer, apparently, is just to lie to them — every other option has been rejected as too “offensive” or “hurtful”, and you can’t ignore them because they have influence — as they should — in a democracy. Of course, as we discussed before, this was precisely what certain Greek philosophers and the founding fathers were concerned about in a democracy.
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The “genius,” if there is any, in Trump is that he tells you what will happen, but shapes it so you believe he is omniscient!

He knows he is going to go against the norms of society, so he tells you it’s not abnormal, but the liberal media are going to lie about it because they’re against America!

Then, he does something completely illiberal, the media decries it, he says “See, I told you so!” and the ill-informed and cultists say “That guy is a genius! He called it!”

Throw in a completely ineffective, lily livered, “never met an argument I couldn’t shy away from,” media, that is far too shy to stand on point and defend itself anymore for fear of offending some sliver of society, and it becomes a fait accompli that he dominates the domestic news IN HIS OWN WORDS!
 
bluesteel said:
I think Musk is outraged that his son transitioned to a woman, he clearly doesn’t agree with it and I’m not sure he wants to control much other than it not happening to other fathers.

I’m pretty sure it’s not money he wants, else he wouldn’t have bought Twitter.
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I hope he's playing the long game, because he lost shit loads on the deal to buy Twitter.
 
bluesteel said:
Read that from BBC

Ukraine are going to get told to forget about Crimea.

I do think Ukraine will get the rest of their land back, I already said in the other thread last week.

I said probably with some sort of Russian (but maybe UN) peacekeeping force.

Ultimately Russia will have concerns over what it classes as Russian citizens there, I can’t see them just walking out.

I think Trump pulls US out of NATO, personally. Read this as to why.

But it’s either going to be a US withdrawal or legal agreements (which Russia wanted before 2022) that Ukraine would never be part of NATO.

I think if the US do pull out of NATO, it essentially dies and a European army will be formed, which to be honest I think is better for everyone. Europe is protected from US instability as it is currently over reliant. Russia will probably feel more comfortable without the US on its borders and the US will make a shit ton of money selling arms to Europe. Edit: on top of the shit ton of money they’re making in supplying Europe with LNG (edit: and oil), because Europe aren’t getting it from Russia ever again. At least until it starts getting supplied from Gaza Marine anyway ;)

Another edit: I think the Europeans (Germans) are happy with this too, as they get access to the lithium in the Donbas they need for their electric cars. The Ukrainian government is bankrupt and western companies are going to be mining there, probably on a lease.
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Trump's biggest con on NATO is that he's convinced enough people that the NATO nations somehow pay actual cash money for the privilege of being in NATO and that the USA is stumping is the difference when the fail to do so. It's absolute nonsense of course, but the people who voted for him don't have a fucking clue how any of this works.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Trump's biggest con on NATO is that he's convinced enough people that the NATO nations somehow pay actual cash money for the privilege of being in NATO and that the USA is stumping is the difference when the fail to do so. It's absolute nonsense of course, but the people who voted for him don't have a fucking clue how any of this works.
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Yep. People are morons but you can’t tell them they’re morons because that would be rude and talking down to them so we’ve got to pretend their incorrect view has the same value as real facts.
And here we are. A moron voted in by morons because they’ve been gullible enough to believe a narrative propagated by cunts like Musk with insufficient pushback.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Trump's biggest con on NATO is that he's convinced enough people that the NATO nations somehow pay actual cash money for the privilege of being in NATO and that the USA is stumping is the difference when the fail to do so. It's absolute nonsense of course, but the people who voted for him don't have a fucking clue how any of this works.
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Not sure that’s true, it was the 2% GDP commitment, to be fair 23 out of 32 now meet it since he started moaning, up from 6 (from memory).
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Trump's biggest con on NATO is that he's convinced enough people that the NATO nations somehow pay actual cash money for the privilege of being in NATO and that the USA is stumping is the difference when the fail to do so. It's absolute nonsense of course, but the people who voted for him don't have a fucking clue how any of this works.
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It's not a case of paying to be in NATO, it's an agreement for member nations to commit a specific % of GDP to defence?
 
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