US/UK launch strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen

domalino said:
I'm never going to feel comfortable about a joint US-UK operation wheremost of our allies either think the situation doesn't require military intervention or doesn't require their intervention.

They're saying the Houthi's are putting world trade in danger, and yet only 1 of the world's 5 biggest exporter's seems to think it requires getting involved militarily.

End result is that we've tied ourselves to another American military operation, I would much rather we'd just played a logistical and intelligence role like Aus and Canada.
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I understand, but may be wrong, that only shipping related to Countries who explicitly support Israel is being targeted. Interestingly the big beneficiaries of that trade route (like China) are having American dollars (and British £) spent to protect their exports. They don’t need to act at all. Smart move.
 
For those who believe that we shouldn't interfere with ship interceptions and attacks in the Red Sea.

This is the impact of that on your cost of living, logistical import costs have trebled in less than a month.

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inbetween said:
The Houthis have attacked Royal Navy ships in international waters, why shouldn't there be a response? What should our response be when a Royal Navy ship is attacked and sailors are killed? You'd think that was the intention of the Houthis or why are they bothering?

Those other countries are playing a logistical role for a simple reason, it doesn't affect them. Australia and Canada are not threatened because the majority of their imports/exports come from Asia via the Pacific.

For the UK and Europe we literally rely completely on the Suez Canal for virtually all imports from Asia, if not then it all has to go around Africa which more than doubles the transit time. Of course exporters don't give a toss, they can just treble their prices overnight and we'll have to pay it.
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I'll ignore the really dumb strawman at the beginning and just point out that all of the things you raise also applies to France, Germany, Spain, Italy who have deicded that attacking the Houthi's with missiles is not the right course of action, whereas our government has again adopted the role of American lapdog so we can feel big on the international stage, seemingly before even weighing up the other options.

I'm not aware any reason why anyone should think Schapps and Cameron (and Sunak) are capable of handling this situation properly, and the fact you're so convinced it's the righteous course of action is IMO probably due to the relligious beliefs you espoused on the previous page where you think all muslims in the middle east want to kill all jews, in which case I suppose every missile launched into the middle east is a win.
 
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inbetween said:
Democracy and representation in that region has never existed, mostly because of religious bigotry, racism and discrimination.
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Never existed?

You mean it did exist, until the British and CIA instigated a coup to remove the democratically elected secular government and installed an Islamic monarch in his place?

Funny old thing to skip over...
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Yeah let’s just let a load of terrorists dictate global trade routes, that’ll end well.
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The big problem is that the World is changing so fast. Not everybody buys into the globalist world.
Smash the Houthis (not going to happen by the way) and the cheap drones will come from Eritrea or South Sudan, or Somalia or any number of unstable, chaotic States or mini-States or wannabe-States. Remember the warlords of Mogadishu. None of these groups give two fucks about “global trade”,we can’t eliminate the threat so need to look for pragmatic maybe difficult solutions.
 
inbetween said:
Democracy and representation in that region has never existed, mostly because of religious bigotry, racism and discrimination. Iran turned a corner over a decade ago but instead of moderately aligning to the west it has turned towards a pariah state whose politics is fuelled by hatred. It is also supported by the axis of Chia and Russia who again seek to counter the west. Let's face it, any country that shoots political dissidents isn't exactly going to be agreeable or a nice place.

Take Yemen for example, less than 0.05% of the Yemeni population is non-Muslim and an even smaller proportion are Jews, you will see more people in your local Aldi than Jews in the whole country of Yemen. These are Muslim states under Muslim rule, minorities who aren't Muslim are persecuted and have lesser rights, freedom of religion is sometimes even proscribed as illegal. This is the kind of state that Palestinians or at least certainly Hamas wishes for, if they didn't and this was purely about land then why would they have a problem being absorbed into Israel?

Funnily enough nearly every Muslim state and many Muslims regard that Israel should not exist. This sentiment only fades as you travel into the west or with westernised Arab nations where westernised Muslims have a different view of the world. The west is therefore the only counterbalance between the persecution of the Jews in the Middle East. Without western support Israel would not exist, Jewish people would in the end be persecuted and forced to live in the west.

Ask yourself why are these countries fighting Israel? How does war help the Palestinians? What have the Houthis, Hezbollah or even Hamas done to actually help the Palestinians? Why won't the Arab nations take Palestinians refugees or help with aid? I think the UK and US has sent more aid to the Palestinians than any other Arab nation.

This has nothing to do with the Israeli state, for many people such as yourself Rascal and others on the left you won't stand up for the Israeli state because to you Israel represents American influence and capitalism. You are therefore programmed to take action for the Palestinian cause. However you must realise that it's different for Muslims and especially Muslims in the region. For them it's all about the Jews and the religious significance of the land that Israel stands on, it always has been.
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Out of curiosity, why should Iran or anyone else align itself to the west if they do not want to?

You say Palestinians should absorb themselves in Israel, why shouldn’t Israel absorb itself in Palestinian state?
 
The houthis deserve everything they get, deluded fuckers think they can get away trying to disrupt the economies of the west and not pay a price for it.

Still feel like hamas and the houthis are nothing but puppets being egged on and funded by Iran on behalf of russia as part of their military alliance in all but name.
 
Can we not just patrol the airways over the region, ie, defensively? Anyone attack any ship and we (UK/US) repel. Do we need really to go on the front foot?

BTW Anything that total utter waste of space goofy toothed **** Schapps says is not worthy of comment. The standard of Secretarial appointments these days is disgraceful, none of them, not one current Secretary of State is worthy of the position.
 
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