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Vaccine passports to enter the ground?
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Edit: I see in the posts following this you become aware that vaccines do reduce the risk of spreading and also the viral load that is passed on.But this makes no sense. Presumably your stance is to protect others? But vaccinated people still transmit. The benefit of vaccination (unlike masks, social distancing, lock down, etc) is largely personal
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Most of this and the seasonticket thread only exists because the club has its head up its arse while we, the supporter/fan/cash cow/tourist are treated like mushrooms. All I wish is that they'd just make a decision and stick to it.
I don't like the move away from a physical card but if it's only phone or print at home I have to decide what's important to me. Changing my routine or going to the match.
If I don't like the idea of a COVID passport then I have to decide if going to the match is important to me. I went to China and if I'd not got a Yellow Fever Vaccination Certificate I wouldn't have been allowed in, I wanted to go, so I got one. If you want to go to the match accept you will need a COVID passport or don't go.
Everybody here just has to decide what's most important to them. If you don't want the jab then buy a TV pass, if you want a plastic card then gaze at the last one you have in your wallet while you also watch the match on TV.
I accept it's inconvenient and while the basic technology is well tested I also expect City to totally fuck it up at some point. But I like going to the match so I'll roll with it, if it's more hassle than it's worth then I'll stop.
As a society we now seem to have a sense of entitlement that we can have what we want anyway we want it or cry about the injustice of it all on social media and probably start a petition. But the simple fact is that the service supplier can make the rules and if you don't like them tough shit, you just have to go somewhere that suits your criteria.
I don't like the move away from a physical card but if it's only phone or print at home I have to decide what's important to me. Changing my routine or going to the match.
If I don't like the idea of a COVID passport then I have to decide if going to the match is important to me. I went to China and if I'd not got a Yellow Fever Vaccination Certificate I wouldn't have been allowed in, I wanted to go, so I got one. If you want to go to the match accept you will need a COVID passport or don't go.
Everybody here just has to decide what's most important to them. If you don't want the jab then buy a TV pass, if you want a plastic card then gaze at the last one you have in your wallet while you also watch the match on TV.
I accept it's inconvenient and while the basic technology is well tested I also expect City to totally fuck it up at some point. But I like going to the match so I'll roll with it, if it's more hassle than it's worth then I'll stop.
As a society we now seem to have a sense of entitlement that we can have what we want anyway we want it or cry about the injustice of it all on social media and probably start a petition. But the simple fact is that the service supplier can make the rules and if you don't like them tough shit, you just have to go somewhere that suits your criteria.
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Surely the tests would be more effective as that shows no one has it? Whereas the vaccinations don't actually stop it being spread?
That's where I'm a bit confused to the reasoning behind it?
The test and vaccination both essentially do the same thing, which is make sure you're not really infectious when you go somewhere.
You can still carry the virus when vaccinated, but if you are symptomless your immune system will be so on top of the virus that you have a low viral load, you're not spreading a lot of it.
Similarly, you can still be infected and pass a lateral flow test, but only if you've got a low amount of virus in you to spread. By the time you're really infectious, you'll fail a flow test.
So both work as a way of making sure a really infections person isn't let into these events and becomes a super spreader. It's not about removing all transmission, just about restricting it as much as possible while allowing live events to go on.
Basically cost cutting in the long run, fewer staff if any in the ticket office, supporters services now run from a call centre. This is the computer/digital age we live in for better or worse. Why this is supposed to be better for us supporters is a myth. 6 hours in total trying to get hold of somebody to sort out season ticket issues due to the clubs crap IT systems leaves me in despair. Have no problems with electronic tickets or on line ticketing but what happens when youb have issues that need sorting by a person ? All money over customer satisfaction. Via covid no issues the club can only do as its told by the league/Goverment. But if the Everton game was deemed a success for the testing of electronic tickets then they weren't at L3 turnstile in the South Stand where the stewards just opened the gates an manually checked your ticket as the scanners didn't work!!!Most of this and the seasonticket thread only exists because the club has its head up its arse while we, the supporter/fan/cash cow/tourist are treated like mushrooms. All I wish is that they'd just make a decision and stick to it.
I don't like the move away from a physical card but if it's only phone or print at home I have to decide what's important to me. Changing my routine or going to the match.
If I don't like the idea of a COVID passport then I have to decide if going to the match is important to me. I went to China and if I'd not got a Yellow Fever Vaccination Certificate I wouldn't have been allowed in, I wanted to go, so I got one. If you want to go to the match accept you will need a COVID passport or don't go.
Everybody here just has to decide what's most important to them. If you don't want the jab then buy a TV pass, if you want a plastic card then gaze at the last one you have in your wallet while you also watch the match on TV.
I accept it's inconvenient and while the basic technology is well tested I also expect City to totally fuck it up at some point. But I like going to the match so I'll roll with it, if it's more hassle than it's worth then I'll stop.
As a society we now seem to have a sense of entitlement that we can have what we want anyway we want it or cry about the injustice of it all on social media and probably start a petition. But the simple fact is that the service supplier can make the rules and if you don't like them tough shit, you just have to go somewhere that suits your criteria.
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I think a lot of people view MCFC as something more than a service supplier. But hey you are right get jabbed or don't go. I won't be able to attend so be it. The match day experience pre Covid was becoming somewhat dull (leaving aside the excellent form of the team) and lacking in the atmosphere of old and the likely raft of new Covid protocols would further dampen the match day experience. I assume in some small way attendances are likely to fall and more empty blue ST seats appear on camera.Most of this and the seasonticket thread only exists because the club has its head up its arse while we, the supporter/fan/cash cow/tourist are treated like mushrooms. All I wish is that they'd just make a decision and stick to it.
I don't like the move away from a physical card but if it's only phone or print at home I have to decide what's important to me. Changing my routine or going to the match.
If I don't like the idea of a COVID passport then I have to decide if going to the match is important to me. I went to China and if I'd not got a Yellow Fever Vaccination Certificate I wouldn't have been allowed in, I wanted to go, so I got one. If you want to go to the match accept you will need a COVID passport or don't go.
Everybody here just has to decide what's most important to them. If you don't want the jab then buy a TV pass, if you want a plastic card then gaze at the last one you have in your wallet while you also watch the match on TV.
I accept it's inconvenient and while the basic technology is well tested I also expect City to totally fuck it up at some point. But I like going to the match so I'll roll with it, if it's more hassle than it's worth then I'll stop.
As a society we now seem to have a sense of entitlement that we can have what we want anyway we want it or cry about the injustice of it all on social media and probably start a petition. But the simple fact is that the service supplier can make the rules and if you don't like them tough shit, you just have to go somewhere that suits your criteria.
The CDC have said within the last 24hrs that data now shows a vaccinated person with 2 jabs has the same viral load as an unvaccinated person, both will spread the virus but the vaccinated will have better protection from severe symptoms. Vaccination should always be the choice of the individual never forced or coerced, but advised with the use of education and data.
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Would there not be exemptions for people like you that aren't able to get the jab?I think a lot of people view MCFC as something more than a service supplier. But hey you are right get jabbed or don't go. I won't be able to attend so be it. The match day experience pre Covid was becoming somewhat dull (leaving aside the excellent form of the team) and lacking in the atmosphere of old and the likely raft of new Covid protocols would further dampen the match day experience. I assume in some small way attendances are likely to fall and more empty blue ST seats appear on camera.
The whole vaccine passport is just a ruse to prod as many younger people into having the vaccine before the autumn. Even ministers have conceded this.
Would I have a problem with vaccination or a negative lateral flow test to get into the ground? Not particularly but I would highlight it would be a somewhat futile and pointless exercise. By the point you've got to the ground, most supporters will have already interacted with thousands of people on trains/trams and in bars and restaurants. So what was vaccine passports or negative tests really achieve? Not a lot, if anything, I would suggest. Any "superspreading" event would have already happened. And now that 90%+ have antibodies against Covid from vaccination or natural infection, "superspreading" events are going to be highly unlikely.
The above also assumes stewards would check. They didn't check my completed health questionnaire prior to entry for the Everton match that I was obligated to do. Same issue at Wembley at the Euros. It is very noticeable that many staff feel extremely uncomfortable enforcing a sort of "papers please" policy. Same issues with Israel and their Green Pass. Some business premises did checks - the reality is most did not.
Would I have a problem with vaccination or a negative lateral flow test to get into the ground? Not particularly but I would highlight it would be a somewhat futile and pointless exercise. By the point you've got to the ground, most supporters will have already interacted with thousands of people on trains/trams and in bars and restaurants. So what was vaccine passports or negative tests really achieve? Not a lot, if anything, I would suggest. Any "superspreading" event would have already happened. And now that 90%+ have antibodies against Covid from vaccination or natural infection, "superspreading" events are going to be highly unlikely.
The above also assumes stewards would check. They didn't check my completed health questionnaire prior to entry for the Everton match that I was obligated to do. Same issue at Wembley at the Euros. It is very noticeable that many staff feel extremely uncomfortable enforcing a sort of "papers please" policy. Same issues with Israel and their Green Pass. Some business premises did checks - the reality is most did not.