VAR - 2020/21

[gingerprince]

Issue with VAR is that it has x2 wholly opposed dimensions

One for objective calls that is measured in mms for an age to define is it in or out of penalty area, or did attacker handle, or was attacker offside, to give in essence a "correct decision" eg similar to goal line technology. I'm not going to include frame rate issue as less relevant to this point. All clubs will have had had marginal decisions go for and against them.

The problem then lies in the subjective calls. Here VAR is now not called upon to take an age to assess all angles, add
some lines etc to give "correct decision" its happy to just sit there & press the "agree with on field decision" button. So
in this respect its wholly opposed to delivering the "correct decision" this is the "clear and obvious error" portion of VAR.

Supposedly this is to speed the game up, less time spent scrutinising all decisions to mm precision etc. To allow the
on field referee to "ref the game". However, since implementation, this clear & obvious error has had differing guidance from Pigmol, just like everything else. It seems the guidance now to VAR is even more strict to follow on field decision.

So onfield ref gets it right, VAR will get it right. Onfield ref gets it wrong, VAR more likely to confirm the error too.

VAR should simply give its decision to the onfield ref. If it confirms original decision, restart the game. If, in their opinion
it differs to onfield ref because of camera angle 'X', then referee goes to monitor to review Angle 'X'. Onfield Referee can
then reconfirm his original decision or agree with VAR and change his decision. In that way, supporters will always know
who made what decision and on what basis.

If we can, at the end of the season effectively relegate Newcastle or Fulham for a last minute ruled out goal after x4 minute wait for maybe x2 different VAR objective decision calls in the build up, eg a tight offside and then did attacker
handle in buildup, to give "correct decision" but then in added time merely press "agree onfield decison" button for a subjective call for penalty/no penalty for a foul/no foul in the six yard box seems ridiculous for consequencies to clubs.
It also adds fire to the corruption theorists that a result can in theory be more easily engineered in above situation too.

In Fodens example, VAR would have to give referee there own independent decision on the incident based on best video
angle. If Atkinson agreed with Moss, then no penalty. At least Atkinson would have to state his own decision and fans &
pundits would have visibility on that. If Atkinson disagreed, then fans and pundits would have visibility on whether Moss
If after looking at monitor, had then agreed with VAR or remained with his own original decision.

 

[dhruvblue]

Referees are disgrace
vAR staff is disgrace

 

[Saddleworth2]

The Foden incident doesn't belong in a VAR thread. Nothing to do with VAR and everything to do with referee corruption.

It was a nailed on as I have seen in a long time. Phil had his left foot taken. Stuck his hand in the air to signify he had been hit. Any referee doing their job would have blown instantly. He was quick enough to give a far less obvious penalty against us.

I was screaming at Souness last night. He kept calling it a mistake. Its not a fucking mistake its called CHEATING. It has to be called out as such it was that blatant.

But it wont be because its us and it goes on all the time

 

[give it to gordon]

Erm Austria showing us how to use VAR.

Having slept I am stiil just as angry about VAR. The one and only reason for Foden not getting a penalty is VAR is bent. I cant think what else it could be.

Keeper clearly takes Foden standing foot, Clearly. All the time VAR is being use to try and influence games we will never hear what the refs are saying.

Moss " guys was that pen ?"
VAR " yea john clear pen"
Moss "should I give it ?"
VAR " er no john we have someone here who says no"
Moss " No ?! You did say No ?"
VAR " yea John No penalty something to do with brown envelopes"
Moss " oh right do you want me to go to the monitor to make it look like you are being honest ?".
VAR " nah dont bother we will say the keeper made contact with the ball, no one questions us "
Moss " no to monitor ?"
VAR " yea no to monitor "
Moss " thank fuck for that I'm knackered already without running to the monitor!"
VAR " no worries john you are doing great we have your back, remember give City nothing"
Moss" cheers guys the drinks are on me"
VAR " dont forget to keep getting in the way of Citys players and their passes, and try and book as many as you can"
Moss " no worries guys "

There is no way VAR conversation is going to be made public.

Ps I also thought their pen was soft like Salah went do really easy , laporte must have a really reall strong arm as I could pull of fully grown man over that easy . I thought Fodens was the clearest penalty I have seen all season. Different one player cheated and pretended to have been shot = penalty other player honest and trys to get up = non penalty. A fucking disgrace is VAR yet no one is allowed to question them . Because its bent

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The Foden incident doesn't belong in a VAR thread. Nothing to do with VAR and everything to do with referee corruption.

It was a nailed on as I have seen in a long time. Phil had his left foot taken. Stuck his hand in the air to signify he had been hit. Any referee doing their job would have blown instantly. He was quick enough to give a far less obvious penalty against us.

I was screaming at Souness last night. He kept calling it a mistake. Its not a fucking mistake its called CHEATING. It has to be called out as such it was that blatant.

But it wont be because its us and it goes on all the time

Exactly.

VAR is being used as a smokescreen for the cheats to hide behind.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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In Fodens example, VAR would have to give referee there own independent decision on the incident based on best video
angle. If Atkinson agreed with Moss, then no penalty. At least Atkinson would have to state his own decision and fans &
pundits would have visibility on that. If Atkinson disagreed, then fans and pundits would have visibility on whether Moss
If after looking at monitor, had then agreed with VAR or remained with his own original decision.

The 'official' decision seems to be that Moss thought the goalie got a touch - DIDN'T! It then goes to VAR to check whether Moss was right - HE WASN'T. VAR says that it can't determine whether the goalie got a touch or not, so Mossy was right after all. They should publish in-match what the reason was for the decision. I believe they don't because they would look bigger pillocks than they currently do. NO PEANLTY AS THE GOALIE GOT A TOUCH!! It was as clear as fuckin' day that the ball did not deviate one fuckin' angstrom from the touch by Foden. Given the angles that VAR should scrutinise - to the same extent our goals against Spurs seem to scrutinized - then the decision would be the same one that the world and his wife, even Jonny's wife, would have given. PENALTY. I believe that was not an honest decision from the VAR wallahs.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Erm Austria showing us how to use VAR.

Having slept I am stiil just as angry about VAR. The one and only reason for Foden not getting a penalty is VAR is bent. I cant think what else it could be.

Keeper clearly takes Foden standing foot, Clearly. All the time VAR is being use to try and influence games we will never hear what the refs are saying.

Moss " guys was that pen ?"
VAR " yea john clear pen"
Moss "should I give it ?"
VAR " er no john we have someone here who says no"
Moss " No ?! You did say No ?"
VAR " yea John No penalty something to do with brown envelopes"
Moss " oh right do you want me to go to the monitor to make it look like you are being honest ?".
VAR " nah dont bother we will say the keeper made contact with the ball, no one questions us "
Moss " no to monitor ?"
VAR " yea no to monitor "
Moss " thank fuck for that I'm knackered already without running to the monitor!"
VAR " no worries john you are doing great we have your back, remember give City nothing"
Moss" cheers guys the drinks are on me"
VAR " dont forget to keep getting in the way of Citys players and their passes, and try and book as many as you can"
Moss " no worries guys "

There is no way VAR conversation is going to be made public.

Ps I also thought their pen was soft like Salah went do really easy , laporte must have a really reall strong arm as I could pull of fully grown man over that easy . I thought Fodens was the clearest penalty I have seen all season. Different one player cheated and pretended to have been shot = penalty other player honest and trys to get up = non penalty. A fucking disgrace is VAR yet no one is allowed to question them . Because its bent

Liked the video. Just like Rugby, totally transparent. How easy would that be?

 

[blue for life]

VAR serving its purpose. To manipulate results.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Austria showing us how to use VAR.

Don't want to send your message to VAR but is that not Australia

 

[give it to gordon]

Liked the video. Just like Rugby, totally transparent. How easy would that be?

.not easy if the game is bent !