VAR - 2020/21

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FIFA/UEFA/PL need to cut the crap and admit top level football is run as a business, not as a sport.

Referees and match officials no longer ref to the laws of the game. They work to the business plan of whoever is the owner of said league/cup competition.

Real football fans will then go and watch the non league levels and the head honchos can achieve their aim of a fully sanitised and controlled business with plastics cheering goals scored by both teams.

Eventually the greed of the few will destroy the game.
 
each club need to have club official present at the VAR headquarters in games so they can see what's going on
clubs have coaches mangers at games to question the officials so why not at stockley park

also the fans would feel better if a club official was there taking a overview of what's happening knowing they can questions them ? some of the things we have seen by VAR should be questioned by the club
 
ancoats said:
each club need to have club official present at the VAR headquarters in games so they can see what's going on
clubs have coaches mangers at games to question the officials so why not at stockley park

also the fans would feel better if a club official was there taking a overview of what's happening knowing they can questions them ? some of the things we have seen by VAR should be questioned by the club
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We might be. The way we operate is on the quiet until we have enough evidence to blitz them.

I hope that's the case anyway.
 
mat said:
FIFA/UEFA/PL need to cut the crap and admit top level football is run as a business, not as a sport.

Referees and match officials no longer ref to the laws of the game. They work to the business plan of whoever is the owner of said league/cup competition.

Real football fans will then go and watch the non league levels and the head honchos can achieve their aim of a fully sanitised and controlled business with plastics cheering goals scored by both teams.

Eventually the greed of the few will destroy the game.
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It will eventually be as obvious as wrestling with a conclusion decided before the ball is even kicked.

The only chants that would be allowed from the seated well behaved audience will be, "He's behind you" with the officials responding with " Ohh no he's not".
 
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mat said:
We might be. The way we operate is on the quiet until we have enough evidence to blitz them.

I hope that's the case anyway.
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for me if teams have a club official in stockley park to question what replay your watching to judge
then take last night game with harry square head handball goal ? BT shown a couple of replays clearly seeing the ball hit the hand. but the VAR team watched a total different video that looked like it come off his head

so if your club official was sat in the same room watching the VAR team not looking at the best replay ? he could flag it up to send back to the club and ask for a another look by the referee ? so what if it takes 5 minutes to clear it up you will get the right result

so lets say you get 3 flags a game to review from your own club official at stockley park. then fans would feel they are not being done over every time. like i said last night BT shown 2 other reviews well after the VAR goal was given that if your club official on the VAR team seen he could use his flag and cancel the goal
 
ancoats said:
for me if teams have a club official in stockley park to question what replay your watching to judge
then take last night game with harry square head handball goal ? BT shown a couple of replays clearly seeing the ball hit the hand. but the VAR team watched a total different video that looked like it come off his head

so if your club official was sat in the same room watching the VAR team not looking at the best replay ? he could flag it up to send back to the club and ask for a another look by the referee ? so what if it takes 5 minutes to clear it up you will get the right result

so lets say you get 3 flags a game to review from your own club official at stockley park. then fans would feel they are not being done over every time. like i said last night BT shown 2 other reviews well after the VAR goal was given that if your club official on the VAR team seen he could use his flag and cancel the goal
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That's called transparency.

There's no way they'd agree to it. Might as well have the VAR officials wearing their club shirts so we know what to expect.
 
mexico1970 said:
It will eventually be as obvious as wrestling with a conclusion decided before the ball is even kicked.

The only chants that would be allowed from the seated well behaved audience will be, "He's behind you" with the officials responding with " Ohh no he's not".
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Fake rivalries promoted on SSN to hype up Burnley V Beighton bore-fest and "fans" get a virtual vote to send a player off if the ref cant decide.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
There's every reason to have VAR. It gives the illusion of being fair whilst actually being utterly corrupt.
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Agreed. It’s so blatant. Last night a clear example. However I don’t think the public are going to get rid of it because there are too many armchair Rags, LiVAR pool fans etc. There’s bloody millions of them all supported by sycophantic media.
I think change has got to come from the players and clubs with some fan backing once we’re allowed into stadiums.
Ideally there would be no VAR but as seen so often, the refs are shite/corrupt so something is needed.
However we will never get a perfect system but one that helps address the corruption would be a good start.
1. Transparency = trust. There have to be screens EVERYWHERE and VAR operators in the ground.
2. Whatever VAR looks at and any discussion with ref should be shown and heard
3. VAR official has to be independent from PIGMOL. I would use either retired refs or foreign ones
4. The handball rule has to be amended to make it fit for purpose. Off side was was fine as it was
5. One slow motion replay only shown on screen if necessary and that has to quickly be chosen as best angle by independent VAR official. If it needs more than one angle it’s not clear and obvious. So for example on the Lorente handball v us in CL the obvious angle to show is the behind behind the goal and you see the arm go to the ball
6. Yesterday the rags pen would not have been given because anyone can see Greenwood shoves him first. However if handball rule is made sensible then Maguires goal would stand as it is completely accidental

As said before things will slip through but at least they can’t be as corrupt.
 
mexico1970 said:
It will eventually be as obvious as wrestling with a conclusion decided before the ball is even kicked.

The only chants that would be allowed from the seated well behaved audience will be, "He's behind you" with the officials responding with " Ohh no he's not".
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And the only people going to games will be little old ladies armed with their handbags
 
Here's a philosophical question--should the game be about getting it right. In other words, justice and the correct call 100% is the priority. Or is the game about spontaneity and the moments? In which case, get rid of VAR completely, because at this point players and fans are having to suppress their instinct to celebrate goals.

I know it's obviously somewhere in between, but I suppose one's opinion on VAR depends on how far they lean in either direction. Other thing is I wonder if all leagues, countries, tournaments use and apply VAR consistently and with the same level of competency.

Imagine Kroos's freekick vs Sweden if we'd have had to wait 2 minutes for it to be reviewed.

FWIW, I actually think red card misses can be just as controversial as goals, but its' natural to focus on goals.
 
What I don't understand is why dos'nt the manager/player in the after match interview after they have been shafted call out the corrupt (and it is corrupt) way that they have been shafted.
If they interviewed me after the Spurs game (for instance) in the chumps league i would be asking how much the officials are getting paid to come up with these decisions, after all with the technology available how could they get it wrong - unless it was on purpose.
What could them who must be obeyed do? Fine me, ban me? Send me to prison?
I would be up for that if it puts us all back to a level (ish) playing field.
 
Slightly going off the subject but, I'm still not convinced that Sterling didn't get a hat trick in the cup final - Where was the goal line view that you get on almost every other goal? They just seemed to say, no it was already over the line before he touched it and everybody just accepted that. It would have been nice a City player getting the first hat-trick in a cup final since Stan Mortensen.
 
Owdman said:
What I don't understand is why dos'nt the manager/player in the after match interview after they have been shafted call out the corrupt (and it is corrupt) way that they have been shafted.
If they interviewed me after the Spurs game (for instance) in the chumps league i would be asking how much the officials are getting paid to come up with these decisions, after all with the technology available how could they get it wrong - unless it was on purpose.
What could them who must be obeyed do? Fine me, ban me? Send me to prison?
I would be up for that if it puts us all back to a level (ish) playing field.
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To be honest,if you say that,you probably be banned and a big fk off fine,
Just be a bit smarter,
I understand the ref might miss certain things in the game,but I cant understand how the var people can with having all the cameras available to them,
It would be better if they can explain their decisions to the manager's and also the fans, so it's more TRANSPARENT.
I understand how a lot off fans think its corrupt with some off the decisions that VAR have made,
You can't give handball which leads to a goal one wk but not the next,
 
Wanderingwolf said:
There’s a football supporters association agm on Friday with a motion on var and its negative impact being discussed looking to set up a working group with an action plan with specific actions and improvements to be implemented with consultation with the premier league network group, fsa affiliates associates and individual members
The target to deliver the action plan is no later than Easter 2021.
there is a good chance of it getting voted through
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following on from Friday

Wolves Fans’ Parliament has had a motion passed at the Football Supporters’ Association AGM held on 11/11/12.

The motion concerning VAR reads:

"Conference notes a range of concerns about the operation of VAR at Premier League and cup games in English Football, particularly the negative effect on the experience of supporters present at the games.

It therefore resolves to establish a working group with terms of reference to identify specific actions and changes to improve the experience of match-going supporters in this regard, following consultation, through the Premier League network group, with FSA affiliates, associates and individual members. The target date to deliver this action plan is no later than easter 2021."
 
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