Sorry this a Manchester City fansite.That's horseshit. We have been screwed as many times by VAR as we have benefitted.
Sorry this a Manchester City fansite.That's horseshit. We have been screwed as many times by VAR as we have benefitted.
Of course you can, but only looking for the ones we benefitted from. Any chance you would ever look at the ones we have been screwed over!? Of course not. VAR was only introduced to world wide football to screw Man City only.
Anyway here goes..
Tyrone Ming's definite handball vs villa. No penalty given
Lacaselles foul v Newcastle. Definite penalty not given
Socrates Shove in in the back v arsenal. Definite penalty not given
Son adjudged to be a milimetre offside v Leicester dodgy angle ever. Goal disallowed and 1 min later they score and we end up losing a late goal too
Son sent off vs Everton (rescinded) played with ten men and conceded a goal.
Aurier foul on Mane falling like a tonne of bricks. Penalty given. You can decide if that's a penno
Fredrick's challenge on Son VS West Ham. Yellow only. Stonewall redcard all day long.
Penalty vs Man UTD. Minimal contact, you decide.
Freekick by Son v Burnley, player sticks his arm up. No penalty given.
Benefitted from
Lamela foul on Rodri
Laporte dodgy handball call
Vertonghen foul on Watford player no penalty
Alli no handball vs Everton
Sheff United milimetre offside goal
The thing is, is it really a subconscious bias? We have heard high ranking football governors saying things like the PL needs a strong United, and we have a plan to make sure there is a new name on the PL trophy every few years. Maybe they are activating their plan this year. At the very least, these statements will lead referees to favour the chosen clubs in the knowledge that they are unlikely to be challenged or see their careers suffer.From what i have seen Watford have probably been shafted the most. I don't think many believe there is a full-blown conspiracy by referees against City but there is certainly an unconscious bias towards the traditional cartel clubs of United and Liverpool. This is a not a new thing. It has happened for decades and is fuelled by bias in the media (for commercial reasons) in favour of Liverpool and United. It has become more obvious because of the skewed way VAR is being applied. The same thing happens in Spain with Real Madrid. Liverpool and United have bigger fanbases and a lot of influence with the powerbrokers in football. It is easier for a referee to give a decision which doesn't upset the powerbrokers. It happens in all walks of live. A lot of people take the line of least resistance. I am certain there are isolated instances of naked corruption in football but the broader problem is unconscious bias.
Just received the following PM from some WUM called smugred - mods do your stuff. I can't be bothered explaining to him.
Anything else you would like apart from a penalty and a red....?
New manager perhaps?
VVD?
Salah?
All other clubs playing in bare feet.?..
Just accept that your team is on the wane
Come and join us.
YNWA
You've hit the nail on the head here. The Law probably was intended to prevent goals from happening. But it doesn't do that. It falls short. The Law is very poorly framed, which is inexcusable for an organisation such as IFAB.Thanks for the detailed reply. I just thought that the "didn't deny" phrasing could lead to inference that he was avoiding this particular one, rather than the quote above that he wasn't commenting on individual events.
I agree that the consistency is a problem, and with VAR, it is very difficult to offer a valid explanation why it would be for handball which isn't subjective - was it Newcastle who had a goal given after the ball clearly hit an arm?
Wolves had a goal disallowed early on where it hit someone's arm and fell to a teammate, and I do think it is obvious that the law is intended to cover this type of thing.
You are right that it is not all unconscious bias. I know we have some powerful individual enemies in high places and there are no doubt some referees who keep their heads down rather than take risks and they do this because they want long careers. This sort of behaviour has happened in every place I have ever worked. Don't rock the boat and you'll get on fine is the phrase we have probably all heard. I just think the problem we face is more subtle than a "grand-conspiracy." I am sure there are referees who actually believe they are impartial. Meanwhile Dermott Gallagher claimed on national TV that Van Dycke's challenge against Everton was "shoulder to shoulder" when the pictures showed it was a push in the back and a trip. So why did no one on TV call him out?The thing is, is it really a subconscious bias? We have heard high ranking football governors saying things like the PL needs a strong United, and we have a plan to make sure there is a new name on the PL trophy every few years. Maybe they are activating their plan this year. At the very least, these statements will lead referees to favour the chosen clubs in the knowledge that they are unlikely to be challenged or see their careers suffer.
I see he is trying to pass the buck to players and coaches,when the prem explained the disallowing goals scored with an arm/hand they specifically used the examples of the Bolly goal with his hand and one of sergio's,very different to the gabby disallowed goal,i have never seen so much mission creep in my lifeHe said he couldn't comment on specific incidents. Here are some direct quotes:
This 'spirit/intention' of the Law is where the problem lies. It becomes someone's subjective opinion, instead of an absolute. This subjectivity can be applied differently to each team, depending on some background hidden agenda.
it’s not made a big difference apart from confirmed it’s bent as opposed to poor decisions.
Before VAR salad scored offside goals we get perfectly good goals disallowed & Sane flagged offside every time he flies past Terrence Trent & they ignore our claims for pens.
with VAR same shit!