Var debate 2019/20

[BlueHammer85]

Aubameyang red card by VAR

Robertson same tackle - Fuck all


Fun fact here. Same VAR ref for both games. Lawson.

same tackle really ?

robertson got the ball first and had about 0.0003 seconds to avoid contact.

abameyeng was no where near the ball and nearly broke the blokes ankle way after the ball was played.

they were completely different.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I am a Liverpool fan, so I am expecting to be called biased, but when I try to look at it as objectively as I can, I can't help but feel that the the focus is very much on the VAR decisions that have gone Liverpool's way, but there is no mention of the ones that went against us? This paints a picture that VAR is helping us massively, but the reality is that we've had our fair share of VAR decisions that could have gone our way but didn't, just like everyone else? Off the top of my head, here is a few examples:

Origi possibly fouled in the build up to Rashford's goal at Old Trafford
Mane goal ruled out for handball at Old Trafford
Firmino armpit offside goal against Villa
Sterling stamp on VVD at Anfield
Mane hip offside goal against Watford
Matip fouled during a corner against Newcastle
Brighton quick free-kick goal at Anfield
Salah put in a headlock in the box against Aston Villa

I am not saying any of the above events were correct or incorrect, I am simply listing a number of events that could have gone our way, but did not. They seem to get swept under the carpet when it comes to discussing Liverpool and VAR.

I can’t stand you lot and gutted you’ve finally won the league. But I do agree with you. People have lost all sense of objectivity and rationality with this, it’s very easy to cherry pick one example against another and use it as ‘proof’ of corruption.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

we should pressure dermot the mouthpiece to explaining why robertson didn t see red, he is full of shit.

I don't think it was a red card. As I saw it, it was reckless, but not endangering.

 

[stonerblue]

I am a Liverpool fan, so I am expecting to be called biased, but when I try to look at it as objectively as I can, I can't help but feel that the the focus is very much on the VAR decisions that have gone Liverpool's way, but there is no mention of the ones that went against us? This paints a picture that VAR is helping us massively, but the reality is that we've had our fair share of VAR decisions that could have gone our way but didn't, just like everyone else? Off the top of my head, here is a few examples:

Origi possibly fouled in the build up to Rashford's goal at Old Trafford
Mane goal ruled out for handball at Old Trafford
Firmino armpit offside goal against Villa
Sterling stamp on VVD at Anfield
Mane hip offside goal against Watford
Matip fouled during a corner against Newcastle
Brighton quick free-kick goal at Anfield
Salah put in a headlock in the box against Aston Villa

I am not saying any of the above events were correct or incorrect, I am simply listing a number of events that could have gone our way, but did not. They seem to get swept under the carpet when it comes to discussing Liverpool and VAR.

hahahaha....

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I can’t stand you lot and gutted you’ve finally won the league. But I do agree with you. People have lost all sense of objectivity and rationality with this, it’s very easy to cherry pick one example against another and use it as ‘proof’ of corruption.

I think Michael Oliver has done a lot to remove objectivity there!
However, the last part is right. It's easy to 'overlook' the incidents which don't fit the theory, and the whole list would be very long and coloured by perspective.

 

[Phil1]

I’d have loved Robertson to have been sent off for that particular incident but truth is it would have been harsh.
It’s the lack of yellows he gets for his shithousery that riles me up more.
Oh, and VAR is still a pile of steaming horseshit.

 

[Eds]

I am a Liverpool fan, so I am expecting to be called biased, but when I try to look at it as objectively as I can, I can't help but feel that the the focus is very much on the VAR decisions that have gone Liverpool's way, but there is no mention of the ones that went against us? This paints a picture that VAR is helping us massively, but the reality is that we've had our fair share of VAR decisions that could have gone our way but didn't, just like everyone else? Off the top of my head, here is a few examples:

Origi possibly fouled in the build up to Rashford's goal at Old Trafford - possibly but should have been stronger
Mane goal ruled out for handball at Old Trafford - ruled out for handball says it all really
Firmino armpit offside goal against Villa - same as a Wolves goal against you or Sterling or a Sheffield United player etc
Sterling stamp on VVD at Anfield - not aware of this but I notice no mention of Mane push or handball that led to your ball
Mane hip offside goal against Watford - see above
Matip fouled during a corner against Newcastle - not aware of this one but I do recall Lovren falling over when Ayew breathed on him
Brighton quick free-kick goal at Anfield - you mean when Dunk scored? Nothing wrong with that goal as presumably Dunk asked to take it
Salah put in a headlock in the box against Aston Villa - again not seen it so can't comment

I am not saying any of the above events were correct or incorrect, I am simply listing a number of events that could have gone our way, but did not. They seem to get swept under the carpet when it comes to discussing Liverpool and VAR.

 

[Copper]

You're missing the point. I stated in the post that I wasn't saying any of them were correct or incorrect. They're just examples of where VAR could have favoured us, but didn't, which in my opinion, kind of disproves that there's some kind of conspiracy to ensure everything goes our way.

For example, a lot of people are saying Henderson handled the ball for our goal against Spurs, and that the fact it was given shows that it is rigged, or whatever you want to call it, but if that's the case, why was Mane's one disallowed? You get me? And Mane's one was in a game we were losing 1-0, so if there was ever a time to give us a dodgy decision, surely that would be it?!

FYI, for the Dunk incident, the issue was that a Brighton player was too close to our wall, which is against the rules this season. That goal, according to the rules, should have not stood. This would have been such an easy one to rule in our favour, because it was actually breaking the rules, but it was allowed to stand and we played the final 15 minutes of the game with a precarious 2-1 scoreline, which, surely if there was an agenda, wouldn't have been allowed?

 

[Eds]

You're missing the point. I stated in the post that I wasn't saying any of them were correct or incorrect. They're just examples of where VAR could have favoured us, but didn't, which in my opinion, kind of disproves that there's some kind of conspiracy to ensure everything goes our way.

For example, a lot of people are saying Henderson handled the ball for our goal against Spurs, and that the fact it was given shows that it is rigged, or whatever you want to call it, but if that's the case, why was Mane's one disallowed? You get me? And Mane's one was in a game we were losing 1-0, so if there was ever a time to give us a dodgy decision, surely that would be it?!

FYI, for the Dunk incident, the issue was that a Brighton player was too close to our wall, which is against the rules this season. That goal, according to the rules, should have not stood. This would have been such an easy one to rule in our favour, because it was actually breaking the rules, but it was allowed to stand and we played the final 15 minutes of the game with a precarious 2-1 scoreline, which, surely if there was an agenda, wouldn't have been allowed?

I think you have spectacularly missed the point. Mane's was so obvious - he nearly slammed dunked it from memory, that it had to be disallowed, Henderson's needed a forensic check to see the slight handball. With the Dunk one not sure that a) the wall was set up and b) the fact a quick free kick was allowed negates everything. Compare what happened at Newcastle last year when KDB took a quick one from which we scored to make it 2-0. Disallowed and booked whereas you faked a free kick to win up there. You are so far clear now that I expect a few dodgy ones for both teams so that people will say it all evens out. Job has been done now and congrats on the league win let's hope next season is a more even playing field.

 

[Copper]

I think you have spectacularly missed the point. Mane's was so obvious - he nearly slammed dunked it from memory, that it had to be disallowed, Henderson's needed a forensic check to see the slight handball. With the Dunk one not sure that a) the wall was set up and b) the fact a quick free kick was allowed negates everything. Compare what happened at Newcastle last year when KDB took a quick one from which we scored to make it 2-0. Disallowed and booked whereas you faked a free kick to win up there. You are so far clear now that I expect a few dodgy ones for both teams so that people will say it all evens out. Job has been done now and congrats on the league win let's hope next season is a more even playing field.

Fair enough, you may have a point with regards to Mane's being too obvious to allow. But it still doesn't make sense for our Firmino/Mane offsides to be ruled out if we're supposed to be getting the decisions. The Origi foul in the build up to Rashford's goal would have been a very easy one to disallow too, but it wasn't.