Var debate 2019/20

[Copper]

If you cannot see the difference the media treats both clubs along with the difference in the two teams being refereed then there isn’t much hope. It isn’t why Liverpool are going to win it, they’ve been the best. Acknowledging the media treat you miles differently to city along with having more favourable var decisions (usually when you’re struggling) and maybe people could debate with you. If you can’t recognise that then it’s pointless

I don’t really pay too much attention to the media, so I can’t really comment on that, but what I can say is that your theory that Liverpool and City are treated differently by the referees/VAR is completely incorrect. I have already listed a vast number of decisions that didn’t go our way, but as usual, they’ve been swept under the carpet because they don’t fit the narrative.

 

[kaz7]

You're missing the point. I stated in the post that I wasn't saying any of them were correct or incorrect. They're just examples of where VAR could have favoured us, but didn't, which in my opinion, kind of disproves that there's some kind of conspiracy to ensure everything goes our way.

For example, a lot of people are saying Henderson handled the ball for our goal against Spurs, and that the fact it was given shows that it is rigged, or whatever you want to call it, but if that's the case, why was Mane's one disallowed? You get me? And Mane's one was in a game we were losing 1-0, so if there was ever a time to give us a dodgy decision, surely that would be it?!

FYI, for the Dunk incident, the issue was that a Brighton player was too close to our wall, which is against the rules this season. That goal, according to the rules, should have not stood. This would have been such an easy one to rule in our favour, because it was actually breaking the rules, but it was allowed to stand and we played the final 15 minutes of the game with a precarious 2-1 scoreline, which, surely if there was an agenda, wouldn't have been allowed?

Meanwhile you are handballing every game,pushing players at every corner,into hoardings just because you can and doing some really bad tackling and getting very few cards,not having pens go against you,scoring offside goals without being varred
You went 4mths before getting a decision against you
You lot really get on my wick

 

[SVP]

You still haven’t explained how we were consistent last season?

I’m sorry, but it just seems incredibly desperate at this point. I’ve tried to be open and objective in my posts, but it’s becoming clear that some of you won’t even take in anything that’s being said, which is unfortunate.

My fiancé’s uncle is a staunch City fan. He’s around 60 years old now, and I’ve managed to have many sensible discussions with him about City and Liverpool over the past 4 years. Over the Christmas holidays, he was as magnanimous as you could possibly be and admitted that Liverpool are just too good this season and jokingly said City will take the crown back next season, so he’s not bothered. I’ve asked him about all this conspiracy/cheating stuff and he just laughed it off and said that’s what happens when you’re winning and that it is a load of nonsense.

cool story bro

 

[kaz7]

Personally, I feel that if you look hard enough, or spend enough time focusing on the little things one team is getting away with, it is easy to go blind to the fact that it happens to everyone, more or less. Not just Liverpool.

I have seen City win penalties in a similar fashion to how Mane won our penalties against Leicester and Spurs, but they're quickly forgotten, whilst Mane's "engineered dives" against Leicester and Spurs are still talked about and scrutinised months later, for example. People are absolutely up in arms about Robertson's tackle, but Sterling's cheeky stamp on VVD has been completely forgotten about (someone even said to me earlier on here that they don't remember it, which says it all). If you put all your focus and energy into trying to spot the things we have "gotten away with", then of course it will seem like we are getting away with more than the other teams who you turn a blind eye to when the same things happen for them.

I also feel that the vast majority of the decisions that people are getting angry about come across as clutching at straws. Like saying Henderson handballed it against Spurs when really, it was near enough impossible to tell in any of the replays, or like constantly referring to the fact VVD may have handled it in the build up to our goal against Wolves (I think it was Wolves?) when, again, it was very difficult to conclude that he had actually handled it, and on top of that, it was explained that even if he did accidentally handle it, according to the rules, it still would have stood, due to it not being handled by the scorer or the creator. I feel like a lot of our "dodgy" decisions have actually been explained perfectly clearly to be correct decisions, but many people refuse to accept this and instead, it is all a part of some big, elaborate conspiracy, which does not make any sense at all, when you look at the number of things that have actually gone against us, as I mentioned before.

Edit: When it goes even further than that, and people start saying things like Liverpool will get decisions against them now to give the appearance of things evening up, or that opposition goalkeepers are all in on this big, elaborate conspiracy to ensure Liverpool win the League, then it starts to really get mind-bogglingly surreal to read and approaches flat-earther territory.

Edit 2: But that's football fandom, for you. I distinctly remember being the same about Fergie's United teams and Howard Webb!

Edit 3: It happens every season, for the leaders/winners, although the reasons/narrative varies.

Liverpool this season? VAR
City winning the last 2 PLs? Oil money
Chelsea winning the League in 2016/17? Nothing without Costa's cheating
Leciester winning it in 2015/16? Everyone else was bad

There's always something, you can't get away from it. Rival fans will always blame a rival's dominance/trophy win on something other than the fact that actually, they are quite good.

Took you a while to get to oil money,well done

 

[danielwood5]

Last season you got loads of offsides given,even your last goal was and numerous pens for diving

If I remember rightly their last goal of the season last year was the goal that gave Mane a share of the golden boot, and I have to say that I don't remember it as being one of their offside ones. I'm pretty certain it came from a freekick that was awarded for a dive by the Brazilian in midfield (can't remember his name for the life of me, the one that's a bit of a thug and likes a good dive but isn't 'Bobby').

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

If I remember rightly their last goal of the season last year was the goal that gave Mane a share of the golden boot, and I have to say that I don't remember it as being one of their offside ones. I'm pretty certain it came from a freekick that was awarded for a dive by the Brazilian in midfield (can't remember his name for the life of me, the one that's a bit of a thug and likes a good dive but isn't 'Bobby').

Fabinho?

 

[kaz7]

If I remember rightly their last goal of the season last year was the goal that gave Mane a share of the golden boot, and I have to say that I don't remember it as being one of their offside ones. I'm pretty certain it came from a freekick that was awarded for a dive by the Brazilian in midfield (can't remember his name for the life of me, the one that's a bit of a thug and likes a good dive but isn't 'Bobby').

Not sure,i was at brighton so i watched it on MOTD,they said clearly offside,they went into double figures for offsides,i'm bias so i get confirmation from the pundits,mcpointy and tyler aside,they got the points v the geordies for a belly flop right in front of the linesman near the box that was given,salad dived all season,mane this,they are like a maureen team,win at all costs,cheating no problem,rotating nasty tackles to avoid cards,general thuggery aided by the refs

 

[danielwood5]

Fabinho?

That's the fella! An all round good chap and the epitomy of good sportsmanship that Liverpool are rightly renowned for. Thanks for that it was bugging the hell out of me.

 

[danielwood5]

Not sure,i was at brighton so i watched it on MOTD,they said clearly offside,they went into double figures for offsides,i'm bias so i get confirmation from the pundits,mcpointy and tyler aside,they got the points v the geordies for a belly flop right in front of the linesman near the box that was given,salad dived all season,mane,they are like a maureen team,win at all costs,cheating no problem

That was the one I remember, as blatant a dive as you'll see right in front of the lino against the Geordies.

 

[kaz7]

That was the one I remember, as blatant a dive as you'll see right in front of the lino against the Geordies.

Don't even get me started on milner several feet offside right in front off the linesman lol