Var debate 2019/20

[cucumberman]

If I’m behind VAR I am absolutely certain that I have great influence over the outcome of a game, above and beyond the ref on the pitch.

Give me a match between the rags and a championship side. I bet 9 out of 10 I can make the rags lose the game despite them playing better.

 

[warpig]

Have only seen the replay once on the big screen once but ive got to say it looks again like another ridiculous decision. Not one spurs player challenged the original decision. Says it all.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If it hits the spurs player on the arm or even grazes his arm it’s a stonewall pen according to these new rules,but don’t think it did ..

If you're talking about the disallowed goal, no, it isn't.
The new law only relates to scoring or a goal being created off an arm. Whether the intention was to include such things as this one or not, it's a black and white law which VAR should be able to administer.

 

[deano ou812]

I don’t think it is, is it? Do you have the rule change for the defender?

They changed the rules across Europe did they not ( champions league ) after Otamendi handball schalke,then brought into the leagues any handball is a pen or attacking team goal ( if scored) ruled out just like the wolves one last week hit boly on arm ( he knew nothing about it ) and whoever it was smashed it in,then disallowed ...

 

[Rhapsody in Blue]

What worries me a lot is that we as a super attacking and offensive team will lose more from VAR than we will benefit from it. Reason being that VAR never will give you a goal. It can give you a penalty, but as we saw today, that is no guarantee if the ref chooses not to look at it.

I’m puzzled to say at least and I’m worried how things will turn out.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Becoming obvious that it’s just added another layer of biased control.

Who are the people controlling this ? In Stockley Park, wherever that is .

 

[MillionMilesAway]

They changed the rules across Europe did they not ( champions league ) after Otamendi handball schalke,then brought into the leagues any handball is a pen or attacking team goal ( if scored) ruled out just like the wolves one last week hit boly on arm ( he nine nothing about it ) and whoever it was smashed it in,then disallowed ...

underlined bit - no it isn't.
It says something about extending the body shape, and excludes close range ricochets.

 

[ws01]

How? We would have challenged the pen to no affect. Get real.

How do you know that?

They're using their 'clear and obvious error' bullshit to not pass that judgement on that, because they don't want to become the referees themselves

If that play is specifically referred to be reviewed by the officials, something that would be rarer in a limited challenge system, do you not think the result would be different? The ridiculous ambiguity of this 'clear and obvious error' interpretation would be thrown out the window. That is one of the biggest problems fans have with it right now

 

[jollylescott]

Reading social media there are a huge number of neutral fans who are disgusted by VAR taking over the game, and a lot are talking about the non penalty in the first half.

 

[deano ou812]

underlined bit - no it isn't.
It says something about extending the body shape, and excludes close range ricochets.

Ok I’ve got it wrong I was led to believe any handball now ..

 

[Bigga]

The ball changed direction after it hit his arm.

Actually the ball glanced down off his head, before glancing his arm, so the trajectory wouldn't have been different by much.

 

[Kokonut1307]

Correct decision but the issue lies with the use of it. How can VAR not give a penalty when Lamela puts Rodri in a headlock? Clear and obvious error with set rules about it. This game was our fault. Absolutely dominant with piss poor finishing. Only draw so no need to lose our heads. We drew against Wolves and still managed to win the league!

 

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

If you're talking about the disallowed goal, no, it isn't.
The new law only relates to scoring or a goal being created off an arm. Whether the intention was to include such things as this one or not, it's a black and white law which VAR should be able to administer.

If it had hit the defenders arm do the rules say it's a pen? If not then it's loaded against the attacking team.

 

[manimanc]

What about the Murray handball last week? Stood in the wall, arm extended, ball pinged off it, no penalty. Today arm brushed intentionally off laporte, sirens wailing, the world holds its breath, no goal.
An absolute fuckin joke.
I'm done with VAR, passion killer, it's like pulling Katy Perry in the dark and realising when the lights go up it's waynetta slob(sorry Kathy Burke x)
Not for me.
I hope it evens itself up over the season.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Ok I’ve got it wrong I was led to believe any handball now ..

No problem. There's a lot of misinformation around!

The changes are (copied directly from the FIFA doc)
Deliberate handball remains an offence
• The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:
• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
•if a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
•If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball

 

[lust overlord]

Don't really want to join in on the conspiracy thing but...We won't see a rule change till there's a couple of outrageous decisions against United or Liverpool.
Until then we're stuck with it.

 

[Bigga]

You limit the challenges, ala Cricket or Tennis, and have a short timeframe in which they can raise it. You also restrict the challenging authority to the captain or coach only.

Again, I don't think that's great. But it removes a lot of the perceived bias and ambiguity of it

Exactly how I envisaged the play almost 10 years ago.

 

[bennyboy]

New laws on offside and handball will come back to bite all clubs on the arse.
There is going to be a decision like this every week from now on.

 

[CityForever45]

I wonder if the VAR guys will be so meticulous in reviewing Liverpool and rags goals like they are with us, guess we'll see.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Var was spot on, its our own fault we only converted 2 of 30 chances and left ourselves in that position. Needs to be a lesson learned from that squad, anyone complaining is deeply misguided as their ire should be at the team underperforming and failing to smash Spurs like they should have done.

VAR did nothing wrong and yeah youbmay have to check your celebrations but so what, the cheating of other teams over the years makes it a worthwhile addition and we were clearly so much better than Spurs we will only end up beating ourselves as we did today.

The problem is you assume everyone is upset about only the handball review and that the cheating with certain other league cash cows will be mitigated or eliminated with VAR.